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| Cant say i like that tbh
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| All goals, be it a conversion, penalty, or drop goal should in my opinion be two points.
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| Not feeling that one
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| Probably the most controversial of the changes.
A ptb when the ball is kicked or carried into touch will have a big impact on how teams manage the game when defending a lead. No scrums to walk to.
The handover for an incorrect ptb doesn't really impact over here as they aren't policed that effectively (Salford fans may disagree after the cup final)
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| I just want one set of rules across the world game.
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| Not keen on that one. If a team is losing by 2 points 40 metres out I'd rather them be trying to score a wide to West than knock over a long range drop goal. Rewarding a team for not being able to get into good field position doesn't sit right either.
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| So being offside at the ptb will now just be a six again call. I see issues with that tbh, especially in close games in the dying seconds. You can be as offside as you like to charge down a drop goal attempt knowing that the opposition are only going to receive a six again call which wouldn't help them in the slightest.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Not keen on that one. If a team is losing by 2 points 40 metres out I'd rather them be trying to score a wide to West than knock over a long range drop goal. Rewarding a team for not being able to get into good field position doesn't sit right either.'"
Yeah. Would possibly be better the other way around.
The golden point rule needs changing for me to the same as the NFL.
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| Quote ="Nothus"So being offside at the ptb will now just be a six again call. I see issues with that tbh, especially in close games in the dying seconds. You can be as offside as you like to charge down a drop goal attempt knowing that the opposition are only going to receive a six again call which wouldn't help them in the slightest.'"
To be fair even as it stands you can just hold down on the same situation. Wigan should have done that in the Grand Final to prevent the Makinson DG attempt. I would hope/assume that going miles offside to prevent a drop goal attempt would be interpreted as a professional foul.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Not keen on that one. If a team is losing by 2 points 40 metres out I'd rather them be trying to score a wide to West than knock over a long range drop goal. Rewarding a team for not being able to get into good field position doesn't sit right either.'"
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Not keen on that one. If a team is losing by 2 points 40 metres out I'd rather them be trying to score a wide to West than knock over a long range drop goal. Rewarding a team for not being able to get into good field position doesn't sit right either.'"
How is it different then to a touch line conversion to win a game?
Should we eliminate all all goal kicks and just have tries?
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"How is it different then to a touch line conversion to win a game?
Should we eliminate all all goal kicks and just have tries?'"
Because you’ve scored a try to earn the right to try for the kick, which is why a try is called a try. But 2 points from a drop goal no, there’s nothing wrong with the system we have
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"How is it different then to a touch line conversion to win a game?
Should we eliminate all all goal kicks and just have tries?'"
Because a conversion doesn't take any entertainment away from the game. They aren't choosing to take a conversion instead of attempting to score a try. Bringing in a rule that may encourage teams to kick drop goals rather than score tries has the potential to take away from the entertainment IMO.
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| Brilliant. There's already nothing worse than 2 teams spending the last 10 mins of a drab game trying and failing miserably to kick drop goals. It'll happen even more now.
Some of the attempts - for professional sportsmen - really are terrible.
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| 2020 Grand Final
40 mins Wigan 0 Saints 2
66 mins Wigan 4 Saints 2
73 mins Wigan 4 Saints 4
Anyone else think that with this rule, we would have got a load of long range drop goal attempts throughout the second half instead of the classic we did get?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"2020 Grand Final
40 mins Wigan 0 Saints 2
66 mins Wigan 4 Saints 2
73 mins Wigan 4 Saints 4
Anyone else think that with this rule, we would have got a load of long range drop goal attempts throughout the second half instead of the classic we did get?'"
Long range attempts? Absolutely none.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Because a conversion doesn't take any entertainment away from the game. They aren't choosing to take a conversion instead of attempting to score a try. Bringing in a rule that may encourage teams to kick drop goals rather than score tries has the potential to take away from the entertainment IMO.'"
You could argue that the GF would have been more open to taking risks if a team was loosing by a 2 point dropped goal rather than a tight 5 then a kick on the 6th aimlessly downfield or into the corner as most matches are.
Not saying I'm in favour of the change but is worth considering
Kicking in general in rugby league is pretty appalling for a professional sport. Maybe 2 points for a drop might improve the quality of drop kicks and kicking in general.
For me kicking is an integral part of the game that isn't given the attention it should be all teams. I always laugh when Sam Tomkins got some kicking coaching a few years back. If he had more than 2 sessions I'll show my Harris at the top of King Street.
For s sport that goes on about territorial possession the lack of a single player in the comp who can make 30 yards from a penalty kick on a consistent basis is totally laughable.
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| Quote ="Lazy J"Because you’ve scored a try to earn the right to try for the kick, which is why a try is called a try. But 2 points from a drop goal no, there’s nothing wrong with the system we have'"
Shouldn't we reduce penalty kicks to one point then? Why 2 points for a penalty kick?
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Long range attempts? Absolutely none.'"
Why? Both teams took the two points on offer whenever the had a vaguely kickable penalty. I'm struggling to believe they wouldn't therefore go for a two point drop goal to level the game with this rule. We know Powell can kick them from that range.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Shouldn't we reduce penalty kicks to one point then? Why 2 points for a penalty kick?'"
The penalty is a punishment for an infringement of the rules, You either loose ground or concede points when you break the rules. The attacking team also can’t control where on the field they get one, in the same way that you try and take the ball nearer the posts when you score. The risk of a 2 point drop goal is we turn in RU where kicking becomes the norm. Teams drive down the middle and bang a drop goal over, get the ball back and repeat
The scoring is fine as it is.
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| I dont see what problem the 2 point DG is solving. Like Grimmy says it potential encourages more negative play.
I can't see it being used much though. I would be surprised. seems a bit like the 20/40 .
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| Quote ="Lazy J"The penalty is a punishment for an infringement of the rules, You either loose ground or concede points when you break the rules. The attacking team also can’t control where on the field they get one, in the same way that you try and take the ball nearer the posts when you score. The risk of a 2 point drop goal is we turn in RU where kicking becomes the norm. Teams drive down the middle and bang a drop goal over, get the ball back and repeat
The scoring is fine as it is.'"
Why not yellow card every third offence for offside irrespective who commit's it or when?
Surely this would be better than 2 points for penalty that may not be converted?
There is as much kicking in RL as there is in RU. Union are just better at it.
You'd never never get a RL game where you see 5 drives and an aimless kick would repeated from the 1st minute until the 80th?
There aren't any players in SL who can drop goals with any certainty- no one has a record of doing this.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Why? Both teams took the two points on offer whenever the had a vaguely kickable penalty. I'm struggling to believe they wouldn't therefore go for a two point drop goal to level the game with this rule. We know Powell can kick them from that range.'"
Do you mean the penalties in the 40th minute to take the lead, the penalty to make the game all square and the penalty in the 79th minute in an attempt to win the game? They weren't just kickable they were major turning points of the game.
No one in SL can drop goals with any regularity. No one in SL can kick a ball a decent length or accuracy with consistency. Kicking is a lost skill. It isn't prized by any player or coach. If it was every team would have at least one and preferably two.
Powell???? Sorry Grimmy you've lost me there. Sneyd is the only player with any sort of consistency in converting drop goals and a few of those have been golden point conversions so even he doesn't drop goals with regularity in normal game time.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Why not yellow card every third offence for offside irrespective who commit's it or when?
Surely this would be better than 2 points for penalty that may not be converted?'"
Do you mean third in short succession or third in the game? Assuming you mean third in short succession - we're not far off that anyway. Four offsides in short succession will see a player in the bin in addition to a penalty.
Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"There is as much kicking in RL as there is in RU. Union are just better at it.'"
I just checked the stats, there are literally twice as many kicks in general play in RU than there are in RL.
Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"You'd never never get a RL game where you see 5 drives and an aimless kick would repeated from the 1st minute until the 80th?
There aren't any players in SL who can drop goals with any certainty- no one has a record of doing this.'"
Lee Briers, Pat Richards, Sean Long, Paul Deacon, Andy Farrell to name a few. Didn't Briers kick five DGs in a game or something daft? More recently Sam Powell is a good drop goal kicker.
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