Baffling that he is not in the team since we are desperate for more size and something different. Could he be on his way out in the off season as a swap deal with either a Salford player or a Saints player and they have agreed not to announce it until both teams seasons are over?

I don’t see how it is baffling personally as others in the squad are currently playing better than him.

I don’t think he will go this off season however I wouldn’t be overly bothered if he did.

Personally I’d have played him this game.

Is it right that he's off to Leeds?

He's been poor at best this year. Regardless of what people say about Isa, he runs harder, and works harder than Greenwood, its as simple as that.

I'm surprised at the negative thoughts on him. He was good at the end of last year and probably our biggest threat at the start of this one. He picked up some bad head knocks and he's struggled since - no reason not to think he can't get back to his best after a reset in the off-season.

If it is a mental thing then it may be not as easy as saying a “reset”,no one knows what has happened to him just assumptions but it’s clear he’s nowhere near the player he was at the end of last season that’s for sure.

I hope they he can get himself sorted sooner rather than later.

I’m surprised he isn’t in the squad. He’s a very useful player and for me he’d have played tonight.

I understand the posters not so encouraged about him, but he runs some great lines and is reliable in D.

His dropping is probably more about his form than capability.

Correct, he's had one good game that I can recall this year and that was Salford away. Last year he was in a much better team and the forwards he had along side him meant he didn't have to work hard as much. He was a luxury signing last year and now that we've lost a couple of forwards since I don't think he's as essential to the team as other players are. He runs a couple of good lines but even they've become rare, I feel he's very lazy in defence ( See Saints away first game of the season when he goes in to hiding on a defensive set on our own line it's one of the many reasons Saints fans haven't been bothered by not re signing him. We missed a trick with not signing Josh Jones, Hull have done very well there. Isa and Farrell start in the second row every week for me, he's lucky if he can get a spot on the bench.

Greenwood when he’s on, is a great strike weapon. Shame for whatever reason he’s not in the squad as he is one of very few forwards (if not the only forward) capable of busting a tackle. I know someone mentioned Isa running harder than him, but let’s be honest, Isa probably is in - meters with his attacking stats and is about as much of an attacking threat as my Nan.

It seems a real shame that these head knocks seem to have taken a big effect on him mentally and physically. Hopefully he can find some of his best form for us again and gets some confidence back in his game, as he does a really good job when he is on it.

I'm sure I remember him being on fire Vs Cas away, but then going off with an injury. Funnily enough the same thing happened to Sammut in the exact same game.

I'd pick Greenwood in the side over Isa every day of the week and twice on a Sunday too. He might be a lazy defender, but he's not a stupid defender like Isa is. Watch the Salford game from 2 weeks ago and see who's at fault for their first (iirc) try.

Isa might also make more carries, but he makes hardly any yards. You might as well run with Greenwood doing no carries in his own half, but is a try scoring threat in the opposition half. At least there's something there.

As a neutral, i've never been a big fan of him, wasn't overly impressed at sintellins, he was ok going forward but couldn't defend, and i thought his signing replacing tomkins last year made you weaker, i think he's pretty one dimensional you wouldn't miss him if you let him go.

I’m absolutely amazed Byrne gets picked over him, that’s all I’ll say.

And Navarette.

Straight swap with Leeds for Ferris

because they are both as good or bad as each other , as for Isa , works hard but is lightweight

Is his one of the best 17 players at the club? Yes!

But I feel can only play one position - left second row.

Is he out best left second row ? No, Farrell is.

Is Farrell any good in any other position ? No, not really.

So Faz gets the nods and that’s why Greenwood’s our the team

Is his one of the best 17 players at the club? Yes!

But I feel can only play one position - left second row.

Is he out best left second row ? No, Farrell is.

Is Farrell any good in any other position ? No, not really.

So Faz gets the nods and that’s why Greenwood’s out the team

If he’s one of your best players you find a place for him.

Same as Origin where they play full backs on the wing, stand-offs in the centres, etc.

You just throw them in and more often than not they come up with plays.

Greenwood with half a heart is better than Isa & Faz put together tonight, so far. Our forwards are really quite pants, aren’t they.

I thought Faz tried hard and made some good carries but it was clear he was trying too hard at times and made a few mistakes.

There is no doubt in my mind though that Greenwood should of been involved if only on the bench. As i said in my first post, a baffling decision to leave him out when we need forward power. His wide power running could of got us back in the game in the first half when we had the ball near Salfords line.

I'm as dubious as plenty here about Greenwood, but nevertheless, in the current situation, I'm amazed that there wasn't even a place on the bench for him.

But then typically, nothing we did would have surprised Salford. We did exactly what they expected, except, a little worse.

Our bench is the week point.

As said above Faz gets picked at LSR as it is his best position and he overall offers more than Greenwood. Greenwood is crap on the right so Isa starts as RSR as although he has no go forward he is a tackling machine.

Of the other forwards only Partington and Smithies seem capable of playing big minutes, both are tackling machines but neither have a lot of go forward because they are relatively small. Subsequently both should start if they are in the squad though Lam may go Lockers over Smithies.

Powell will get selected at hooker leaving 1 prop position free for Clubb/Flower

Lam will always want Lockers in the squad so he takes one bench spot and can cover half back at a push as last night. Clubb/Flower takes another. You are then left with Byrne, Navarette, Havard, Greenwood, Sammutt or French as an option. I feel Lam wants to involve French having brought him over early so the other bench spots goes to a prop.

Sad state of affairs really as I would prefer two props, a back row and a hooker/half on the bench and Lockers is taking up the slot that should be Greenwoods whereas Greenwood was used from the bench to rest Lockers earlier in the season.

Its Lockers inability to do the full 80 mins and the fact that Smithies is a better defender that is keeping Greenwood out.

The young forwards have done well this season and with the loss of Bullock to injury and Tautai and Hamlin to off-field problems have had to do way more minutes than what would have been expected.

I have it on good authority that Lam really doesn’t rate Greenwood , so Greenwood is looking to leave asap

Always trust the Enforcer. Who told you Edwards wasnt coming months before anybody even thought there was a problem? Who brought up the idea that Greenwood could be on his way out before anybody thought of the idea?

I give up. Was it RichieS?