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I predict a Forum Riot!
Get ready for a complete dissection of Every Syllable!

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Good Luck to the Lad
Sounds like we got the best deal we could in terms of Transfer and possible return (But Fully expect this sentiment to be rejected by some).

Interesting agreement. Don't know how I feel about him instantly becoming a high paid marquee player in what could be 2-3 years walking straight back into the club, when realistically anything can happen in the time he's away.
He could become a worse player (could be the result of an injury, like Sam Tomkins) and/or we might need the marquee spot to improve another key position.
So much could change in 2-3 years.

For John it seems excellent. Plays NRL. and comes back on a wedge.

Pandering to the fan base maybe?

It seems bizarre to hand tie yourself when so much could change in the time he’s away very odd,what happens after that time and Bateman doesn’t want to come back? As I say very odd.

Still good luck to the lad,his agent has done him proud will he succeed over there I don’t know but I hope so I really do

I'm not sure to be honest. Say we got a substantial fee for him as well, I was hoping we'd see players coming our way as part of the deal, seems not.

I’d have been happier as you say with a couple of players coming over if only for a year or two,the fee was always written into the deal though,I’m pretty sure when he signed up last time the club where open about that I’d a fee came he’s be off,I just can’t get my head round why they’d handcuff a wage deal like this if,for instance George W hits the heights we all want him too and Sam P turns into cooper Cronk he wants a new deal as depicts his dazzling skills what happens then?

So many questions really and a lot of ifs and buts

i'm glad its finally put to bed, good luck to him. wigan seem to have done some good business here, but i do agree i don't recall ever seeing a player leave but already sign on to return!!

hope it works out well for all parties in 2-3 years' time.

Massive loss for Wigan next year. By far your best player. Hope and expect he will go well in the NRL, if he can fill his frame out, that I'm sure Canberra will work on, he could be up with the best in the NRL.

Interesting concept of a pre-agreed marquee contract in 2 or 3 years time. Will we even have the marquee rule at that point? What if he takes to the NRL and the Aussie lifestyle like a duck to water and decides to settle full-time? What if he suffers a serious injury and he can no longer perform anywhere near marquee level?

Can't help but think that part of the deal is anything more than a agreement to agree and well all said and done not rally binding on either party.

The bit about being offered marquee status (and wages) now is not aligned with what general gossip within the game suggests.

Leaves one hell of a void for Wigan to fill. I think it could only realistically be done from the NRL with a marquee level signing. Throwing names like Isa and Paisley around in the press release is frightening from a Wigan's fan POV.

2 points
Just said on a text to a mate that the amount of Detail within the contract will be a Thousand times more intricate than what is in a 20 line press release.
I expect IFL & JB's Lawyers plus Canberra as well to have spent countless hours negotiating it and working over dozens of scenarios etc. (And one of the reasons why it will have taken so long for the Official release & Statement to be made).
I'm more than comfortable that whatever is within that detail will be in the Best interests of Wigan - i.e. on the flip side if he's busted etc. we won't be "Tied" to the deal.

As for it being worrying for Wigan about names like ISA/Paisley etc. whilst not mentioning that he also said Greenwood & Farrell, then I suspect it would be very difficult for Wigan to quote names of potential players that haven't officially signed
Now if he was mentioning Jack Hughes/Livett or Joe Philbin then I would be Worried

Disappointing to see him go but cant blame him.

What's the obsession with having to re-sign players who leave for the NRL?

This agreement is different as the PR is saying he will defiantly be back which isn't guaranteed at all. In 2 years time are the club budgeting for the return of Bateman as a Marquee signing or are they recruiting elsewhere?

Far too many variables to assume Bateman will be back in 2/3 years.

Knowing what a lawyer's hourly rate is that would have cost more than the transfer fee Wigan got to draft! For example how would you define how serious an injury would be to negate the deal? Just think for five minutes the infinite scenarios that could exist about that one point.

It will be nothing more than a gentleman's agreement well all is said and done. If it suits both parties at that point then it will happen.

The main issue I have is the club putting this out there means to me they are putting themselves in a hole. If he wants to come back and Wigan say no he could go to another SL team and if successful the club wont look good. On the otherhand they could get him back down the line and then he isn't the player he was and isn't as successful to which again the club would get criticism.

I think it would of been better just to announce he was leaving and made no reference to him returning. At worst maybe they could of said Wigan have first refusal.

What if he's very successful in the NRL and doesn't want to come home, Will Canberra or another club need to renegotiate his signing with Wigan

It will be detailed in the contract that Doesn't exist and is no more than a Gentleman's agreement according to our Expert from the Wolf's Board.

My Guess however is it will be detailed in a Contract that will have numerous clauses/scenarios in it to cover numerous scenarios that won't be as complicated as some make out.

As predicted!

If his successful @ Canberra I see him then looking to go to Sydney.

FINALLY!

But I just don’t understand this deal. It doesn’t make sense from any way you look at it. In 2yrs we’ll be a different club with different needs etc

Im also not an advocate of bringing players back to the club and although I think Bateman is a fantastic player; I’m standing by that ethos. It makes the club look weak in my honest opinion.

Dont mind Bateman going to NRL totally deserves is chance but I just find the returning / Marquee part of the deal mind boggling / laughable decision by the club.

As many have said what if Bateman is a success will he want to return?

Also which jumps out at me is that for the next 2-3 years we will not be signing or interested in any Top players as we already have a marquee in Williams and a marquee when he wants to return in Bateman. Imagine if a top no 7 becomes available we wont be able to sign as Marquee in case Bateman returns or table a offer because we will have no space on salary cap.

I do think again its a bad press release by Wigan why didn't they just say we have first refusal with a 3 year deal on the table....DONE......that way if a better option comes up we can go for it and see what happens with Bateman down the line, he may have a stinker or get injured and hardly play then will he be worth the money?

We have made a big thing about the significant signing on fee, it will only be the same fee if he decides to come back early which we know as happened before.

Told you all this about 6 months ago but was mocked and told that Mods shouldn't spread rumours.

Sometimes helps knowing a Hull lad currently living in Canberra..

No suprises. I'm a bit concerned about us making him marquee upon his return. We have been stung badly with players not being as good upon their return, and would we even want to use up a marquee spot on a second rower anyway? I'd rather have a marquee 1, 6, 7 or 9 where the player will have more influence

Its surprising, you'd say that they've not learned from the tomkins situation, and how thats played out.

Clearly they've agreed this and announced to soften the blow for the fans, hoping you've all got short memories.

Not surprised he is going and not overly mithered about his potential return or not I am solely concerned about who will be replacing him. No disrespect to Wells and any other of the young bucks coming through but I want an experienced replacement as good as if not better than Bateman. Our pack has been too small for too long and this for me is another opportunity for the club to help to get the pack to a decent size which can give us a platform to perform in every match of the season not just the 60% or so when we want to or presently can do.
Sad to see the lad go as on the pitch he is as honest as the day is long and I wish we had another 5 or 6 like him in the squad. Hope he makes a success of it in the NRL.

I genuinely can’t think of a player past or present that has come back to the club a better player than the one who left?

That’s my issue as well. I feel quite confused about it as well; he’s a fantastic player but I’m not sure the deal we’ve gone for is the right one.

As other posters have stated, a lot can change in 2yrs. Form, injuries etc but the other major problem for me is that we now have two marquee spots, GW and JB. The latter of which isn’t here for 2yrs which restricts us majorly in the transfer market.


This isn’t an astute move by the club, it’s a ridiculous move in my honest opinion benefitting nobody.

Same here.. Why are we still giving players a get out clause on their Aussie move? It's not been a success yet.

If Bateman was having doubts about going I think the offer he has been made to come back as the marquee signing would tip the balance. It's a risk free move for him because he will know even if he comes back on one leg IL will sign him just to show how "clever" he's been striking the deal.

I am sure some will say we'd be kicking ourselves if he came back an even better player and went to another club but so what? In the meantime the club should be looking to fill the gap he leaves such that we do not need to re-sign him. It should move on and not be thinking he will be an integral part of the plans two or three years hence (there is an option of the third year in his Aussie contract).

The contract isn't worth the paper it's written on anyway. If he wants to sign another contract in Australia after this one is up, he will. What is the club going to do about it? Apply for his extradition?

I have no problem with Bateman going. Good luck to him. He's honoured his contract and his new club have coughed up the fee but that should be the end of it. If in two or three years he becomes available Wigan should consider making a move to sign him or not on its merits at the time and the needs of the club at the time. Not tie itself to signing him regardless.