Massive question after another average performance from 2 of the less than 5 marquee players in SL.

ST--We have tortured soul ST who can't run, hates the fans, and has a dodgy picture every time he is shown on BBC Graphics.

GW--Could easily be the best player in the league, but looks like a headless chicken when up against a decent defense. All the pressure on GW to do something is ruining the lad.

That pair are probably on ten times Sneyd's salary and a run of the mill nobody like him showed them both up big time. This sport is doomed, think I'll start watching girls RU instead.

Is George Williams the most overrated player in the world....?

I dont get him at all.... has pace and looks to take the line on occasionally but in the games I've seen him play he has never been close to being the best player on the pitch.
When Sean O'loughlin is your most creative player with the ball something cant be right.

Sam Tomkins is the modern day Dick Turpin..daylight robbery.

The NRL failure thinks he is a lot better than he has ever been.

Assistant Coach soon.

We all know Sam isn't the player he was, but he's still the only one that will try something different, get the fans onto the edge of the seats. All the rest are so rigidly coached, it's just rugby by numbers.

As for George, he has the ability, but Gazza used to say to be a footballer, it was 10% in the feet, 90% in the head. The same goes for any sport really. Sam has that attitude, but I'm not sure George does. He isn't helped by the crap partners he's had the last two years, but being a marquee player, you need to be the one rising above that.

I'm 90% sure Williams has played most of the season with an injury. He was limping pre-match.

Doesn't help when you're partnered with Leuluai though, now there's a man stealing a living.

It is frustrating clearly both have talent but it just isn't happening for either of them.

Our style of play simply doesn't allow these lads to show what they can do and whilst we continue with this low risk grinding tactic having creative players and retaining them on marquee contracts is pointless.

Given our lack of ability as a code to produce top class centres, in my opinion Gildart is the player we desperately need to protect.

Williams isn't partnered with Tommy. He plays exclusively on the left with TL on the right.

I don't think I've seen many young British halfbacks play consistently well year after year. It just seems to happen that they experience inconsistency and many fail to live up to the hype. With Williams though he's currently top of the league in try assists while having a poor year. That's not a bad situation. It's like a team playing badly but still managing to win. He's our most important player. Okay, he's not playing well but take him out of the side and he's the one we can't replace to anywhere near the same standard.

Last year he was the best player on the pitch in plenty of games, this year only a few but the entire team is suffering in that regard. What doesn't help is that he's our biggest threat with the ball in a one dimensional attack. We're all too predictable and often struggle to create space and that's what halves need to play at their best.
The deal with Williams is that he's got an outstanding running game, is physically strong, very good defensively, reads the game well and also in the last year or so has developed an eye for delivering an excellent final pass. A lot of his try assists now come from passing which is good to see. He also has an excellent short kicking game.

Yes he's got negatives too like most young players. He's by no means the finished article and if he doesn't fix a few things he'll never be one of the best, which he does have the potential to be. He's already played very well for England which is the highest level you can play at.

What concerns me is that he's still early in his career and has obvious flaws to his game but because of the lack of quality halves in Super League has been elevated to 'marquee' status before he's actually developed into one. He's our marquee player because he could be one of the best. He's currently one of Super League's better players when in form but there's a difference. He's also playing alongside a halfback that doesn't seem to compliment him well. Matty Smith was a steady Eddie who had little creativity but could keep to a structure. He was let go because over his last 2 years he wasn't even steady and was making plenty of errors in games. However, when both were playing well Smith and Williams at least balanced each other out. Leuluai doesn't. We needed another steady player with a good long kicking game who can do the sort of thing Sneyd did yesterday. Instead we've brought in someone who wasn't really a good enough halfback the last time he was here. When Leuluai played well he was generally playing as a direct threat because his ballplaying and kicking weren't good.

While halfbacks generally don't 'partner' each other in the strict sense anymore, what one does affects the other, and if you have one with particular strengths and weaknesses you want your other half to be able to offer what they don't. If we have no real threat down the right, the defence can easily focus on keeping their shape and discipline when we go left.

There's a lot of pressure on Williams to create everything and teams know that. They also know our bog standard attacking structure and how to defend against it and as a result our playmakers struggle to have as much influence as they could.

Williams is a good player being burdened by too much expectation and the teams reliance on him to be the creative spark. Until we get a better 7 and a hooker who can offer some creativity he will always struggle against well drilled defensive teams as they can concentrate on him without having to worry about others. Tomkins is not the player he was but he still has something to offer (marquee - not sure) - the issues with the team are not down to either Tomkins or Williams - they lie elsewhere.

hes a marquee player I expect him to be the best

B

Is He really on more than 175k? If so you are being robbed

And here is clear evidence of why Wigan is the most loathed club in RL. The arrogance of calling a player "a run of the mill nobody" when said player has not only just won the LT fir the second year on the trot, but managed the game to perfection.

The sport is doomed with people like you following it.

Anyone who loathes a rugby club because of any individual's opinion is an idiot. As for Sneyd, he's merely symptomatic of the malaise that is killing the sport. Hide for five tackles then pop up to deliver a kick. Yes, that's really packing them in - or didn't you take notice of the attendance yesterday?

You seem to allude to the quality of the spectacle on offer killing the sport. Look within and ask what your club is doing to improve the thrills and spills, and reword it to " The way clubs like Wigan are playing the game is ruining the sport".

The public of today are fickle and want instant entertainment and gratification. Get Wane and other playbook coaches to move with the times.

68k. For the first time in 10 years I was announced accurately and not with unoccupied seats counted.

You are symptomatic of the problem in the game and many of Wigans stay aways. You,are only happy if you win by 40 point margin. Wigans dominance from 20 years ago has gone. Or were those wide margin victories so fantastic to watch. The neutral didn't think so.

Thanks for the insult, however the reality is, it's not an individual, it's a high minority who act and copy your stance.

bet hes on double that

If Williams and Tomkins were playing for Castleford they would be sensational.
I wish that we had Powell as coach...or Chester even.

I absolutely agree that the coaching of the team is not conducive to having flair players as marquee signings.

Wane needs to go for me.

Little doubt for me Williams simply isnt ready for the pressure of being a marquee player,it singles him out mainly becuase of the cash hes earning,far too soon the lad is still learning the game he could be a great or also ran who knows.

His agent played the club like a fiddle and they paniced and offered him the full dowry instead of playing hard ball.

Still easy with hindsight.

The only time Wigan come alive is when Sam say's #### it and plays outwith the script (CC Semi-final . Wire last season). Everything about Wigan is so structured it's become to easy too read . George Williams is a very good player who can become a great player once he is old enough and has the balls to do a Sam and say #### it this isn't working lets play some rugby . At the moment there seems to be a fear to disobey and incur the wrath of the fuehrer.

Regards , EW

I wouldn't go calling Shaun wane on here, you will have the lynch mob after you. I think the Shaun wane fear factor has got a grip on some of our fans

Smith also won the Lance Todd for doing exactly the same (and also a MoM performance against NZ) - yet almost everyone calls him an average 7. He's obviously being provocative with his statement but you can't argue that Sneyd's main asset is his kicking game. Nothing wrong with that and he kicked us to death and his goal kicking is amazing (the one he kicked from pretty much on the touchline was fantastic). Some HB's are the complete package, some have a specific asset that can win games.

Another thing is people like to level that Wigan fans are arrogant but that's sport. If Hull go on to win 19 Challenge Cups and 8 in a row you can bet Hull fans will behave in the same way. It's not something in the water in Wigan that makes fans expect success - they saw unprecedented success and some of the greatest ever players play for their team. Leeds fans have a similar attitude because of their prolonged success. If Cas continue the way they're going they will too. With success comes arrogance and then if you take it away, plenty will spit their dummy out.

How many of those challenge cup wins were when Wigan could buy up all the best players an no other club could compete with what Wigan were offering? As great as it is you had a clear advantage over every other team that eventually bankrupted your club and led to selling your home

Take away those 8 in a row if it pleases you and we have still won more trophies than any other club.