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| What happens to them when Burgess, Tierney and Manfredi are fit?
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Marshall 134 metres, 6 tackle busts and 3 clean breaks.
Davies 158 meters, 3 tackle busts and 1 clean break.
Can we keep all five, they will all want to play top level rugby (and deserve to)? Very difficult decision for the coaching/management staff.
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| Maybe look at converting one of them to centre, it's definitely the weak spot in the squad numbers wise.
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| In the short term it isn't a problem. Medium term Joe Burgess to centre. Manfredi wont be fit until next year. We need cover at full back because Sam will play scrum half. So yes we keep them all.
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| Marshall is the priority of the none established lads. Tierney has improved massively but can't see him being happy with a second fiddle roll which he will always we at Wigan.
Davies is also one that on current form looks to be behind Marshall. Hopefully both however will remain patient and we can see how Don is on his return.
I think it is highly likely Burgess will have another crack at the NRL maybe Manfreddi too IF he comes back to the form he was in pre injury.
My long term concerns if we were to have both Davies and Marshall on the flanks is the lack of size particularly height on both sides.
For me, Burgess, Manfreddi and Marshall have to be the lads we keep happy.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"In the short term it isn't a problem. Medium term Joe Burgess to centre. Manfredi wont be fit until next year. We need cover at full back because Sam will play scrum half. So yes we keep them all.'"
Where do u get the Sam will play scrum half from? I just can't see it!
I'd say Tierney would be the one to move on if we need to make cap space but he'd have every right to feel badly done to.
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"Where do u get the Sam will play scrum half from? I just can't see it!
I'd say Tierney would be the one to move on if we need to make cap space but he'd have every right to feel badly done to.'"
I sort of think he will play in the halves a bit. Escare left Catalans because he couldnt get a game ahead of Gigot. I doubt he would sign a 3 year deal at Wigan unless he was under the impression that he would be playing regularly.
Does anyone know hoe long Marshalls contract is? I know he played reserves last year but I wasnt sure how long he had signed for. He's been great so far, particularly under the high ball, and evading the oncoming defenders when catching the high balls.
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| Marshall is the better than Davies imo but both look good, short term wise the back line should look like this imo
Escare
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Burgess
Gelling
Tierney
Davies is a good player and will get plenty of opportunities but Tierney offers better go foward imo, he also does a lot of scooting from dummy half which helps.
Against Catalan I'd go
Escare
Marshall
Burgess
Forsyth
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"Marshall is the better than Davies imo but both look good, short term wise the back line should look like this imo
Escare
Marshall
Burgess
Gelling
Tierney
Davies is a good player and will get plenty of opportunities but Tierney offers better go foward imo, he also does a lot of scooting from dummy half which helps.
Against Catalan I'd go
Escare
Marshall
Burgess
Forsyth
Tierney'"
The difference is Davies hasn't dropped a single high kick that I can remember whereas Tierney doesn't fill me with confidence when the bomb goes up. He's improved an awful lot from when he first came in though.
Davies has made great meters forward since he came in and had defended very well. I think I'd pick him ahead of Tierney if he keeps his form.
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| Marshall and Davies are playing well enough to keep their place in the team. They should stay there until there is an injury or drop in form. Dom won't be back for quite while anyway and Burgess will stay in the centre whilst Gildart is out.
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| To be fair, surely Marshall looks better than Davies because he's seen a hell of a lot more ball?
Both have been good, and Davies saved our bacon with that great bit of defending, and the pace to win a penalty, which led to a Wigan score.
On current form I don't think I'd drop either to play Tierney.
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| Quote ="moto748"To be fair, surely Marshall looks better than Davies because he's seen a hell of a lot more ball?
Both have been good, and Davies saved our bacon with that great bit of defending, and the pace to win a penalty, which led to a Wigan score.
On current form I don't think I'd drop either to play Tierney.'"
Couldn't agree more.
I think Davies has a bit of mongrel in him and I wouldn't be surprised if he is a regular for the rest of the season and he is for me far superior than Tierney in every department.
Whichever winger plays on the right he is going to be starved of chances compared to whoever plays on the left.
I'm just glad that we have such great lads who have come in and improved the team.
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| Its a nice problem to have keep em all,you know like Wigan rugby's version of Pokemon
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| I think the big loser in this situation could end up being Tierney. He did a good job of filling in for Manfredi last year but he has an error in him and I feel these two youngsters are showing themselves to be better players.
When you produce as many as us you can't keep them all and all you can do sometimes is ensure you keep the right ones. Five wingers in one squad would seem excessive especially when all of them are talented enough to play first team superleague on a regular basis.
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| Both the kids are doing really well and neither as yet are showing any signs of fading. Tierney will probably be the big looser of of this as both have overtaken him imo.
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| Quote ="hengirl"Its a nice problem to have keep em all,you know like Wigan rugby's version of Pokemon'"
It is, but we definitely need Nurse Joy!
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| Quote ="Geoff"It is, but we definitely need Nurse Joy!'"
Perv.
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| Davies and Marshall over Tierney for me, both proper wingers who will take the outside of given a chance. And impressive under the high ball unlike Tierney.
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| Quote ="NSW"Davies and Marshall over Tierney for me, both proper wingers who will take the outside of given a chance. And impressive under the high ball unlike Tierney.'"
Tierney has been found out a few times with the ball in the air. His other area of concern is the grubber around the back where he often flaps and misses. Having said that he carries the ball out and gains good yards with that low to the ground stance.
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| Quote ="Levrier"Tierney has been found out a few times with the ball in the air. His other area of concern is the grubber around the back where he often flaps and misses. Having said that he carries the ball out and gains good yards with that low to the ground stance.'"
He looks very frantic in defence when defending kicks which is the opposite of certainly how Marshall has looked. Young Davies hasn't looked quite as secure under the contested high ball but he's not been mugged either and he's very solid in the rest of his game. The two youngsters are eating up the ground as well so they look pretty well rounded.
In a salary cap sport it'll be tough to keep all five wingers. In fact you would probably say it's unwise to do that. We look well stocked everywhere next year but if rumours are true and Tautai is off it would be helpful to maybe use the salary of Tierney plus his own to replace him.
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| You have to feel sorry for Tierney. He improved no end last season and but for injury would still be in the team because he let no one down. However the simple fact is that Davies looks to be a superior player. Tierney's displays for Scotland against the best players in the world should mean that he will have no shortage of suitors. I doubt he would want to stay to be Escare's back up.
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| By the way - on Escare. What a coaching job Waney and co have done on him!
Absolutely safe under the high ball and hasn't, to my eyes, missed a tackle yet. All this from a guy who was a defensive liability at Catalans.
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| I'm very pleasantly surprised at how well Marshall and Davies have done. It's common for kids to look good in their first couple of games and then fade a bit. These two seem to have a bit of staying power. They both look very good all round players and both imo have overtaken Tierney who, despite his best efforts will never be better than solid. Budgie is in for quite a long run at centre and Wane has a selection headache should Gildart and Manfredi return later in the season.
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Quote ="Trainman"I'm very pleasantly surprised at how well Marshall and Davies have done. It's common for kids to look good in their first couple of games and then fade a bit. These two seem to have a bit of staying power. They both look very good all round players and both imo have overtaken Tierney who, despite his best efforts will never be better than solid. Budgie is in for quite a long run at centre and Wane has a selection headache should Gildart and Manfredi return later in the season.'"
Yep. Wane confirms that he plans to keep Burgess at centre until Gilfdart is back, hopefully in June.
www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8500642
It will be a nice problem to have when Gildart & Gelling are both fit.
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Yep. Wane confirms that he plans to keep Burgess at centre until Gilfdart is back, hopefully in June.
www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8500642
It will be a nice problem to have when Gildart & Gelling are both fit.
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"By the way - on Escare. What a coaching job Waney and co have done on him!
Absolutely safe under the high ball and hasn't, to my eyes, missed a tackle yet. All this from a guy who was a defensive liability at Catalans.'"
He has missed a couple, notably against hull & Castleford. I'm with you though he has come on leaps and bounds and is getting better with every game he plays, Sam will struggle to oust him from the fullback role on current form.
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| Quote ="hatty"He has missed a couple, notably against hull & Castleford. I'm with you though he has come on leaps and bounds and is getting better with every game he plays, Sam will struggle to oust him from the fullback role on current form.'"
Im going to post the following just to play devil's advocate because for what it's worth I absolutely love watching Escaré play for us.
Sam Tomkins 2016 : Apps 16, Tries 6, Assists 10, Tackles 109, Missed Tackles 9, Tackle Busts 36, Average Gain 5.33, Errors 10.
Morgan Escaré 2017: Apps 10, Tries 4, Assists 2, Tackles 62, Missed Tackles 7, Tackle Busts 40, Average Gain, 7.79, Errors 8.
I found it interesting reading considering the contrasting opinions people have of how these two players performed for us.
Tomkins per game had: more assists, less missed tackles, and less errors.
Escaré per game had: better average gain and more tackle busts.
Per game they were very similar in: tries and tackles.
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