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Some interesting comments from the stadium owner:
"I still think Wigan rugby now could be more generous in what they do, and how they help to pay for the running of the stadium – especially the pitch. I am in talks with Ian Lenagan right now over that very thing. More money has got to be spent on the ground and on the playing field. It’s being subsidised by me a hell of a lot. They obviously don’t play as many games on it as Wigan Athletic. But the stadium is in constant use, and it’s very difficult to keep the pitch up to the level we want it at. It’s essential we keep that to the highest level. All I am saying is Wigan rugby have to contribute a bit more financially to the upkeep of the stadium."
The end of year accounts for Wigan Warriors show that in 2014, £279,381 was paid in stadium rental costs. 17 home fixtures were played at the DW, 2 of which were challenge cup games and 2 were play-off games. In 2015, £322,824 was paid in stadium rental costs. 17 home fixtures again took place, but one cup tie was played at Leigh and one was the WCC, leaving 14 league fixtures and one playoff game.
As I understand, all WCC and play-off games are RFL events, with ticket prices set by the RFL and as such the RFL would meet the cost of stadium rental.
By my maths, we paid £18,625 per league/cup game in 2014 and £23,058 per league game in 2015 - a rise of 24%, yet Mr Whelan thinks we should pay more for the privilege of being told when we can and cant play.
Nowhere can I find as to how much rent the Latics paid to play their 23 league games, 2 FA Cup games, 3 UEFA cup games, one playoff and one friendly in 2013/14. Nor could I find details as to how much they paid to play their 23 league games and 2 pre-season friendlies in 2014/15.
Perhaps next time the WEP journo gives DW a platform, he could ask him as to how much the other tenants pay to have first call and double use of the same facilities.
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Some interesting comments from the stadium owner:
"I still think Wigan rugby now could be more generous in what they do, and how they help to pay for the running of the stadium – especially the pitch. I am in talks with Ian Lenagan right now over that very thing. More money has got to be spent on the ground and on the playing field. It’s being subsidised by me a hell of a lot. They obviously don’t play as many games on it as Wigan Athletic. But the stadium is in constant use, and it’s very difficult to keep the pitch up to the level we want it at. It’s essential we keep that to the highest level. All I am saying is Wigan rugby have to contribute a bit more financially to the upkeep of the stadium."
The end of year accounts for Wigan Warriors show that in 2014, £279,381 was paid in stadium rental costs. 17 home fixtures were played at the DW, 2 of which were challenge cup games and 2 were play-off games. In 2015, £322,824 was paid in stadium rental costs. 17 home fixtures again took place, but one cup tie was played at Leigh and one was the WCC, leaving 14 league fixtures and one playoff game.
As I understand, all WCC and play-off games are RFL events, with ticket prices set by the RFL and as such the RFL would meet the cost of stadium rental.
By my maths, we paid £18,625 per league/cup game in 2014 and £23,058 per league game in 2015 - a rise of 24%, yet Mr Whelan thinks we should pay more for the privilege of being told when we can and cant play.
Nowhere can I find as to how much rent the Latics paid to play their 23 league games, 2 FA Cup games, 3 UEFA cup games, one playoff and one friendly in 2013/14. Nor could I find details as to how much they paid to play their 23 league games and 2 pre-season friendlies in 2014/15.
Perhaps next time the WEP journo gives DW a platform, he could ask him as to how much the other tenants pay to have first call and double use of the same facilities.
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| Have a look at the accounts for Wigan Football club (the old Welco). Those are the accounts for the stadium, corporate, rental, functions etc They are the stadium owners, not Wigan Athletic.
Those who think that owning a stadium is the be all and end all will see that the Stadium company is losing money.
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| Bit like hiring a car and paying for any repairs yourself. Bitter owd dave.
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| Id like to see the contract for using the JJB.
Id tell the owd fart to go and do one.
Personally I'd rather play in Wigan park than at the jjb which is whelans pension fund.
Give him Jack shoite
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| Honestly the rate the latics are shaping its little wonder they cant afford the upkeep of the stadium
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| The times they are a changing
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Have a look at the accounts for Wigan Football club (the old Welco). Those are the accounts for the stadium, corporate, rental, functions etc They are the stadium owners, not Wigan Athletic.
Those who think that owning a stadium is the be all and end all will see that the Stadium company is losing money.'"
Its a good job the council have waived their £205,000 ground rent every year so far or uncle Dave would really be squealing!
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| Did those comments come straight from Dave, or via his carer?
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| Great win yesterday......
for Forest & Bristol City.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Great win yesterday......
for Forest & Bristol City.'"
Tick tock tick tock tick tock
In more ways than one!
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| I assume the current contract will have no clause for cost of upkeep therefore, if uncle Dave wants to change the contract then IL can take the opportunity to change or amend other clauses.
Uncle Dave must be the only owner in the world of a sporting club with a statue outside his ground who genuinely begrudges spending money on the club. Never sure if I feel sorry for him or if he deserves my total apathy.
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"Its a good job the council have waived their £299,000 ground rent every year so far or uncle Dave would really be squealing!
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You obviously had a look at the stadium accounts then.
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| I sure did!
£23,000 per game appears to be quite a good deal, particularly when you consider how much the stadium management company is losing year on year. Factor in our annual rent, the annual loss and the potential ground rent, and it would be akin to sticking an extra £10 on the price of a matchday ticket, or £120 on your ST just to cover those three things. Then of course there's the cost of building a stadium....
Now, hands up all those who still want our own stadium?
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| Quote ="muttywhitedog"I sure did!
£23,000 per game appears to be quite a good deal, particularly when you consider how much the stadium management company is losing year on year. Factor in our annual rent, the annual loss and the potential ground rent, and it would be akin to sticking an extra £10 on the price of a matchday ticket, or £120 on your ST just to cover those three things. Then of course there's the cost of building a stadium....
Now, hands up all those who still want our own stadium?'"
Bearing in mind the club makes nothing from concessions, sponsors and the hospitality boxes, it's not a great deal.
The club would much prefer to own their own ground, believe me.
As for Whelan's comments, he can f' off.
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| Quote ="P-J"=#FF0000Bearing in mind the club makes nothing from concessions, sponsors and the hospitality boxes, it's not a great deal.
The club would much prefer to own their own ground, believe me.
As for Whelan's comments, he can f' off.'"
Not true, the hospitality revenue comes to Wigan RLFC. What they don't get is the revenue from the bars on the ground and the South Stand bar, but they don't pay the costs.
I suspect some of that may change in the not to distant future.
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| Assuming the worst and the latics do go down,at what point does it make sense for the stadium company to seek to sell the ground?
Or is that still a way off.
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| "Assuming the worst and the latics do go down,at what point does it make sense for the stadium company to seek to sell the ground?
Or is that still a way off."
I presume you mean to a housing developer? don't think uncle dave would ever let us get our hands on it.
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| Whelan deliberately kept the stadium separate from the football club, safe in the knowledge that when he comes to sell the Latics, he will only be selling a football club, rather than a club and a stadium. Its therefore little wonder that when he took a step back, there were no takers for the football club and his grandson took on the role (previous experience = one failed chip shop)
Interesting reading from the Stadium 2016 annual report:
"As a consequence of Wigan Athletic competing in a lower league and the resulting drop in attendances, match day catering declined, as did the stadium hire charges from Wigan Athletic".
It seems Uncle Dave wants the Warriors to make up the rental shortfall due to the on-field failure of the football club. Perhaps he should tell young Dave to stop sacking managers and paying compensation.
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| So because the Latics are failing on the pitch, that should cost us extra money? Disgraceful!
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| Trouble is the further down the leagues they drop, the more games they have to play and the pitch situation gets worse.
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| It's a very strange situation to be in. The Latics will find their income streams so much lower than the good old days of the Premier League, so will want to find other ways to prop up their balance sheet.
It's not as if we just rent, say, a tennis court for a couple of hours, and can shop around for the best prices.
But we also shouldn't have a gun put to our heads to just pay more.
I wouldn't be happy, but could understand if IL went down the ground sharing route.
But I'm sure he's done his numbers and he will know what the magic number is per game that makes him either build his own ground, or borrow someone else's.
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| It's a very frustrating situation and it's hard to come up with solutions given no one other than Dave Whelan and I.L seem to know the full details of the apparently "favourable" deal that we get. Knowing Dave Whelan though I'd suspect there is only one winner in the deal. I can't ever see Latics getting back into the prem and the way things are going after this season they may not even make it back into the championship and like other's have said that will leave Whelan with no option to try and squeeze more money out of the Rugby. Also, even if Leneghan did want to bank roll our own stadium (which realistically I doubt would be viable) getting planning permission and an ideal location would probably be impossible.
Given the financial difficulty Bolton have been in recently though I do sometimes kind of wish we could tell Whelan to shove it and start to look at potentially playing games at the Macron, Extreme I know and not ideal but I can't think of anything that would wind Whelan up more than us cutting the chord and handing money to their only real rival.
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| I understand the sentiment, but with crowds at the DW dwindling, how many Wigan fans would be up for travelling to Bolton to watch games? I can't see it.
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| Quote ="moto748"I understand the sentiment, but with crowds at the DW dwindling, how many Wigan fans would be up for travelling to Bolton to watch games? I can't see it.'"
plenty travel, I know a lot who wont go to the DW after central park, I dont agree with moving out of Wigan but dont agree with Whelan also.
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