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| Since Sam Tomkins came back to Wigan he has shown a lot of inventiveness when mixing about with the play when on the 3rd/4th/or 5th tackle.
I think the days of him breaking from deep are gone because he undoubtedly seems to have lost some pace, so I think it is time for him to move to halfback where a short burst of speed could be more beneficial to the team.
Some fans say he would have to do more tackling in the halves than at fullback, maybe so but they are not those full on when a big forward is running at him at pace. When tackling on the front line there are usually more than one player involved in the tackle.
The reason I am saying all this is because in my opinion Sam is always going to be only a big collision from a layoff, after the first few matches he played when he came back he has been taken off early, missed a match or two or left out because of concerns about certain pitches.
That is why I think even though it may sound daft I think he is not as exposed at halfback and it also gives Wigan a chance to get two halfbacks together who could really click.
Someone posted on another thread that in Dom Manfredi, Wigan could have a player who could turn out to be a great fullback. all we need now is another winger.
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| Not this year IMO but it could be an option down the line. He's come back in at fullback and done very well but it's always worthwhile evaluating your options. The one thing I would say looking at the team is could that option not be taken away by Shorrocks form? He looks a fantastic talent. He's confident and organised and looks ready to grasp games by the nuts.
Give us 2 years or so and I'd like to think we're looking at the following-
1-Tomkins
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| This Sam Tomkins to the halves is nearly as bad as people banging on about Ryan Hampshire.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"This Sam Tomkins to the halves is nearly as bad as people banging on about Ryan Hampshire.
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| Do I look like Phil Bailey?
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| Tierney has been playing well, I wouldn't write the idea off
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Tierney has been playing well, I wouldn't write the idea off'"
Think Tierney is woeful at Full back. Rewatch Friday, consistently in the wrong position for our "shift/out the back" play, which our structured attack is built around. Zero passing game. Was similar at the start of the year hence being dropped and Sarge going there.
God forbid an injury to Sam this year, I'd play Gels and Gildart centres and Sarge FB.
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| Quote ="NSW"Think Tierney is woeful at Full back. Rewatch Friday, consistently in the wrong position for our "shift/out the back" play, which our structured attack is built around. Zero passing game. Was similar at the start of the year hence being dropped and Sarge going there.
God forbid an injury to Sam this year, I'd play Gels and Gildart centres and Sarge FB.'"
I don't think Tierney is good enough at FB either. He's got good pace and is a decent finisher which makes him a good back up option on the wing.
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| He's proving himself to be a good winger Tierney but he's awful as an attacking full back. He's a good athlete but his basic skills with ball in hand are very poor and he doesn't get involved enough. We should have put Sarginson at full back on Friday and he should be first choice back up whenever Sam isn't available.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He's proving himself to be a good winger Tierney but he's awful as an attacking full back. He's a good athlete but his basic skills with ball in hand are very poor and he doesn't get involved enough. We should have put Sarginson at full back on Friday and he should be first choice back up whenever Sam isn't available.'"
I think it was a difficult choice on Friday. If Sarginson had played full back who would have played centre? We didn't even know if Charnley would pass the late fitness test so it might have been a case of no choice for SW.
If Gelling was fit he'd play and so would Gildart for me. That would leave Sarginson to cover FB and Tierney to cover wing spots if necessary.
If we ever get anywhere near a full strength squad it's a real embarrassment of riches. With Sarginson leaving, I still think we're a top class 3/4 short of having our squad spot on.
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| Tomkins should stay at FB for the time being. Williams is a good youngster but he's not an organising half yet. I know Smith has had his critics but for me FB Tomkins, SO Williams SH Smith is far better than FB Sarg SO Tomkins and SH Williams. Sam at FB and Particularly Smith at SH allow Williams the freedom to play rather than organising the side.
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| Yeah, I think I agree with that, especially as Sam can take on some of the long kicking from full-back. It's so handy to have a kicking full-back, giving you options and keeping defenders guessing, like (say) Lachlan Coote at the Cowboys.
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| Sam could make it work but Im certain full back is his best position.
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| Next season we have (so far if no more moves) Smith, Williams, Tommy L, Shorrocks and Powell all half-backs - plus possibly Hampshire back as well (although I suspect that will not happen). More than enough ability/cover there so there is no need to move Sam to HB as he poses a lot of threat from FB as he can dictate when to move into the line and where.
It will always be an option to move Sam if necessary (probably in game due to injury) but I do not see any merit in moving him - and who would play FB, next season Sarginson won't be here and Tierney has doubts over his attacking game so that would weaken the team anyway moving Sam.
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| So many times on Friday Tierney just wasn't there when we were shifting it wide. Hopefully Charnley's ban will force Wane's hand and play Sarge at fullback and Tierney on the wing, where he was excellent against Wakey. Hopefully Sam is back though of course, anyone know what's happening with his injury?
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