Josh Charnley and Dan Sarginson to leave Wigan Warriors at end of 2016.
Charnley to join Sale Sharks, Sarginson to join Gold Coast Titans.

Bad news really as both seem to have discovered a bit of form. Hopefully though we use the time we have been given to recruit. Even if we can promote some young players to cover those positions, let's use the money on some genuine talent to compliment all the young players.

Hopefully the powers that be will make good on this (not holding my breath, though):

Gildart can (and has) replaced Sarginson but we need to sign a good winger to replace Charnley. We could probably do with a utility back squad player too

This is the only good news in this whole affair, providing they carry it through

Double edged sword for me this one. Charnley has been a passenger for the last couple of years albeit not his fault for being injured and looks to really have upped his game this season. I suppose it all depends on his replacement. He was at a time, irreplaceable but not so much now and he made a rod for his own back last season. Maybe he should have worked harder to get match fit rather than running to the media complaining that Manfredi had come in and replaced him and done a lot better than he had. There are good wingers out there and we have to sign one as there aren't any ready for the step up. In a way i am glad the saga is over and there will be no more rumours.

Sidestep Sarginson must have a very good agent that's all i can say. I just can't see him even making one appearance for the Titans. I would guess that Gildart and Gelling have the centre spots nailed on and Isa will be the back up next term. Tom Johnstone please, and with the club mentioning players like Clubb, Sarge and Flower i think we can expect a player with potential rather than a proven winger so Johnstone looks nailed on. I can't think of anyone else with potential in SL who isn't already snapped up. Tommy Makinson was being touted as Charnley's replacement a couple of seasons ago. I just wonder. he is from Hindley isn't he? Maybe he has become disillusioned with Cunningham's tactics and wants a change. Money talks. I don't think we will see Burgess back anytime soon. I think his first year at the Roosters will be all about him being bulked up and readying him for the strength of the NRL, besides if we are looking to sign somebody now and get it done it's way to early to be making an approach for Budgie. If there was any chance of that you would feel it would be towards the end of the season. Could the Carney rumour be true?

Shane to see both go but it isn't a surprise. I find it a little worrying that a player of Sarginsons ability can see us as a stepping by stone only a year in to a three year deal (which is when Lenagan said he made it clear he wouldn't sign a new deal)but it's a sign of the times I suppose. I rate Sarginson quite highly and feel the big challenges and big games bring out the best in him and I believe he'll surprise a few.

As for Charnley he's been a key man for us for a long while but he's been poor these past couple of years. We need a good replacement but I can understand him deciding to take on a new challenge. I just hope he keeps his form going and goes out on a high.

The club gave to sign replacements because behind the current squad there aren't any lads ready for regular first team games.

Hands off our Tommy please.

There's always Richie Owen

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Fair comments from the club, I'd say- both were offered good contracts but "it wasn't about money".

I have mixed feelings on this.

1. Salary cap - yet again we see players leaving for Union and the NRL. We simply can't compete with the salary cap at the level it is whilst Union and the NRL increase theirs.

2. Josh has played really well so far this season but for the last couple of years he seems to have had his head elsewhere and as has been more interested in off the field interests. This may be unfair but it is certainly the impression he has given. Dan is still only young and has shown that he has the potential to be a very good player.

3. Questions have to be asked about the senior staff at the club. We seem to be the only club where there is a steady stream of players leaving year by year. I look at a player like Manfredi and whilst I am made up that he his progressing like he is, I am concerned that he will naturally attract the attention from union and the NRL. Other clubs don't seem to have this problem, certainly not at the level we have experienced. We cannot rely on the fact that that our academy system will continue to produce players at the level that it has over the past few years.

4. Recruitment - It is glaringly obvious that we need to recruit in certain positions. We are desperate for a recognised goal kicker and I read with despair in pre-season that the players were having a competition to see who would be kicking goals. The loss of Micky Mac is a huge blow and it is too much to rely on Sam Powell to put in a shift like he did at Saints week on week. Now that George Williams is injured we are on the bones of our in the halves. We now have Lockers who started the season at prop playing stand off. We have to recruit even if its only a stop gap signing. Again, other clubs can pull off short term signings so why can't we?

We have started the season well compared to previous seasons but in my opinion there is a great deal that can improved upon.

3 year deal offered, gut feeling is he will accept

I have occasionally seen snippets of Aussie press chat in which they talk about Sarginson as if he's a young sensation. All I can say is that I think they're in for a shock.

One good match in the last God knows how many does not a superstar make.

I won't particularly miss Charnley either. He's looked good this season - so far, but that's a poor return for the length of time he's actually been here. I also won't miss the constant 'will he leave or won't he' discussions that have surrounded him for so long. It's been self-evident for a while that playing for Wigan is not his priority.

Three-year deal offered?

Hasn't he only just signed for you?

We (Wigan) have offered Carney a 3 yr deal

Sarginson was born down-under, can't say i blame him for going as he may have family out there, but i don't know. Josh tweets more about clothes, and to and about RU, so it's no surprise. Good luck to em both. Tho it's only just confirmed to us, no doubt the club will have know for sometime in Josh's case, and all were aware of Sarginsons intentions. Be interesting to see where we go from here, but then, it's always interesting to watch the comings and goings...

The Wigan merry-go-round will be the talk of the season (for us) once again....

Justin Carney to Wigan for 2017 was a done deal before this season even began.
My understanding is that Cas can choose a straight swap for Hampshire or receive an already-agreed fee.

Humble apols. Thought you were a Devil.

I've never attended a fans forum but I'd like to ask Ian Lenegan why Leeds can keep hold of the likes of Hall, Watkins and Hardaker while we continually lose so many players. If they'd come through the Wigan system no doubt they'd all be in the NRL by now.

Makinson is a (decent) finisher full stop. Offers nothing in any part of the pitch other than from two yards out. We expect (and get) more from our wingers.

Carney is exciting but makes a lot of errors like dropping the ball in his own 20, giving away penalties even when he has the ball himself. Can we live with the added excitement and put up with the errors? (Depends on whether we are winning really)

Tom Johnstone is the flavour of the month. And like a previous poster (in another thread) said, let's leave Wakey to build their own team.

It's been a while since we last bought a winger (Pat Richards & Mark Calderwood in the same season IIRC?). Should be interesting.

Do you know that they would go if offered the chance, or even if they have been..? You seem to assume they would go if offered the chance. Perhaps these players have been kept at the expense of squad players... Granted its paid off, but they look a little thin on the ground now they have had injuries.

Good luck the boys, I would much rather have seen Charnley stay in the sport but he gets an easier life and the chance to fill his pockets. Will he fit in RU or like many, his face just won't fit? Being all the way over in Salford means he can't play the "I'm homesick" card to escape.

Sarg has lost some pace, but he's had a serious hamstring problem to recover from. Hopefully he will do well over in Aus.

Plus none of that Leeds trio looks like a good name to quote at present.

I'm not surprised Charnley wants to leave. His form dipped after Sam left and he was publicly slated by SW. There were players in worse form than he was at the time who were never dropped and who seemed bullet proof from all criticism from Wane. Injury then took hold and Manfredi could not be dropped.
I'm gutted the lad is leaving because as he has proved on many occasions he is a real game breaker. I really hope he smashes it in RU and I hope our recruitment is good!

Sad to Charnley go.
A few years back I thought he was a top class winger who was confident of taking his opposite winger on and going on the outside which had become a lost art of the position.
Unsure as to why he had lost his way in the past two years but in all likelyhood there will be several reasons for this.
Not totally convinced about Carney but that may be due to my aversion to brute strength at the expense of everything else in a back. If there is another Pat Richards out there then that would be ideal for me.
I haven't seen the last couple of games yet but believe that Sarginson played well. Although not a natural ball player from fullback he does give us some go forward. A change of environment may do him the world of good.
I would be very disappointed if we don't recruit externally to replace both of these lads.