I'm sorry but did anyone notice he was playing tonight? If It wasnt for the errors I wouldnt have noticed he was on the pitch. Yet another big game where he's gone missing.

I'm not blaming the result on him because that lies with Ben Thaler missing the knock on in the build up to the second Leeds try.

Smith has just surrendered his England jersey though. Not in a million years does he deserve to be selected ahead of Luke Gale.

Time to give Hampshire or even Powell a spell in the halves to accompany Williams next year. Smith isn't Wigan quality, never has been.

Can't disagree. He's got to be replaced. Is it too late to poach Paaaat off the French? At least as a kicking coach if nowt else.

Open your other eye what about the Bowen knock on and Farrell pickup in an offside position in the lead up to the Burgess try.

The only two bits I would disagree with are that he has only just given up his England jersey - with his form this season he should have lost that a long time ago - and that Smith has never been Wigan quality - he has served a purpose in the past and has played well ... enough to win us matches previously. After the way he's played this season though, I agree that its time to look at other options.

It's a huge decision to make but in my opinion it's time to move him on.

What about Joel Tomkins e passing and kicking, 2 knocks on came from his passes

He shouldn't have been having to kick or be the playmaker though. This is our point. Matty Smith went hiding and delegated his responsibility.

Surely Ryan Hampshire can do what Smith brings to the team plus he has the bonus of pace, of which Smith has none.

Smith is just not good enough

The teams evolving and growing and in my opinion a tough call needs to be made on Smith.

We've got the best young halfback pair in the last twenty years at the club and they need to play.

We were having this discussion 6 months ago, saying SW had to give Rocky and George a chance to play together at 6 and 7. It has been a huge mistake by SW to persevere with a relatively ineffective Smith all season. Rocky has only played at 6 once all season - that was when Williams pulled up in the warm up to a game and he was drafted in at the last minute. They have never been given the chance to show what they can do together as a half-back partnership at SL level.
Burrows and McGuire ran the show for Leeds tonight - Burrows showed how effective he can be despite his lack of size and alleged weak defence. Rocky could be even more effective - and he has the priceless commodity of extreme pace, something Smith sadly lacks.
If SW wanted Smith to play it should have been as the bench 9 to spell Micky Mac.

Smith is Mr consistent but lacks the ability to be spectacular.

If you analyse his career then his greatest game for Wigan was on a rain soaked day where he kicked Hull to death in the cup. After that can anyone name me other games where he's really shone? Tbf he's had decent runs of good form but he's not won us games or been the standout performer.

After 3.5 seasons at the club it's you'd hope he'd have more than one standout moment right?

The thing is, it's easy enough to replace him. We could go with Hampshire at 6 and GW at 7. That option requires zero recruitment and gives us Wigan produced halves!

If Hampshire isn't Wane's cup of tea then put Sam at 6 and recruit a new FB or give Bowen 12 more months. I'd argue FB is probably the easiest position to recruit for as good FB's are ten a penny in the NRL.

He was ing awful tonight and IMO cost us the game,the knock on after our first try followed by kick after kick straight down Leeds players throats.Why we kept going to him for our 5th tackle plays I don't know.I think he's a decent pro but Williams/Hampshire is abetted partnership going forward.

Waney won't play Hampshire in the halves so the only hope is he goes Tomkins at 6, Williams at 7 and Hampshire at 1. That trio would be devastating but I really doubt it'll happen.

He could move Sam Powell to 7

Does anybody else think he cost us that game?i don't like to blame individuals but I think his performance tonight was shocking and although not on a par with flowers last year was pretty bad.

It all started in the 5th minute. If he hadn't dropped the ball from the restart and Wigan had then had a good set of 6 and put in a reasonable kick, it would have been a totally different game! All ifs and buts, though, but the fact remains Wigan had taken the lead but then let Leeds get straight back on level terms - primarily because Smith made a schoolboy error. Professional rugby players, particularly scrum halves, should not drop a ball from a kick off, particularly on a dry light evening. And his kicking was just poor - as it has been for the majority of the season. Rocky has to be a better alternative with George going to 7.

He needs to move Sam Powell on to a lower level club, the guy is pants

I thought Clubb was completely anonymous for you guys. Also Tomkins didn't do much. Bateman was quiet also

Can't say I disagree but Wane seems to like him so it's put up or shut up.

Please note this thread is about Matty Smith though.

Maybe start another thread on that if you think it's worthy of discussion but this is about Matty Smith and that's how it shall stay.

I posted on here before the Hull game, drop him as a kick up the bum. Maybe if we had his form might have returned , but its not.
Hate to single him out from today , but its a season long thing. If we want to improve and progress , number 7 is a position that needs strengthening. Maybe keep Smith and transform him into a bench hooker/6 or 7 back up

Liam Farrell, George Williams and Matty Bowen were your standouts tonight. Everyone else were either decent or disappointing.

I've been annoying the hell out of the person I go to home games with about Matty Smith.

Constantly pointing out that he offers nothing to the team is irritating, apparently.

Sadly nothing has changed and I doubt he loses his shirt next season.

I noticed him twice - once for his knock-on which gave Leeds a comeback straight after we'd scored, and later in the 2nd half when he fumbled a pass in his own half, giving Leeds the ball back.

Forwards can be anonymous as drives and tackles can go un-noticed, but when one of your playmakers goes AWOL, it shows up.

Smith was by far the worst half back on the field tonight, compared him with Williams especially who was superb. Smith, the more experience should be in his pomp guiding you round the field leading from the front, crafting, probing, he , not for the first time in a big game for Wigan offered sod all. Wigan were a touch unlucky but all in all I think the future is pretty bright for you, especially if your coach acts on the AWOL 7 role.