Not here to troll guys we was dusted 40 - 0 last year in france so we know whart its like. Just watched the game and some of the defending by Dan Sarginson is scandolous. I know he wasent the only one but I noticed against Wire Chris Bridge destroyed him all night. He was also at fault for a couple of the Hull KR trys last week. What am I missing ? People seem to have him down as a shoe in for England but I just dont see him as a international player. Just an opinion guys.

He isn't a centre and I doubt if he ever will be.
I have never seen him as a top player and on present form I wouldn't have anywhere near the squad however, we haven't got one decent at the club so I expect he will be pardon the pun a shoe in for the remainder of the season.
I predicted a few weeks he would struggle and unfortunately he has played as poorly as I thought he may do. I hope he makes me eat my words in the next few weeks but I very much doubt it.

Last season he went 'okay to good', his selection was pretty deserved if not a bit of a shock. Then he had that stormer against the Aussies.

This season he's been 'average to poor'. Feel a bit for him as he seems an honest lad, he's laid some great passes to Burgess in 18 months, scored some great tries but lets not forget where we got him from as well. I certainly don't have him down a shoe-in, think he's a confidence player.

I don't think gildart is necessarily ready for week in week out SL but surely he can't be worse that sarge at the min with his form

Basically this.

He improved out of sight by the end of last season. He's back to square one this - not sure why.

He's become a complete liability in defence - he can't play next week otherwise Watkins will have a field day. He needs time out to work on his positioning and tackling. Teams are now targeting his side.

I totally agree Andy but who do you put in his place?
Tomkins is just as bad defensively and the two together are a try fest for any team.
I fear another 50 points next week I really do.

Bateman has played well for us in the left centre v Stains last season on Good Friday. He'll tighten up that side considerably. If we play Sarginson v Watkins I'll have to watch through my hands.

He's gone next year anyway.

What can the speccies do we've been crying out for a PROPER centre all year and no one does anything

who would want him, he would get laughed out of the league in the NRL

All a team has to do is get a simple one vs one on him and he's beat. That is unacceptible for a side that is challenging for a super league title. To be fair to Sarg Joel was just as bad on the other side, he was beaten way too easily but he's a monster at second row. That formulates to a simple suggestion, play them in their naturual positions which for Sarg is fullback (for me)

Not going the NRL and wane not happy at all to be losing him.

hes tackling link a union player now

He seems to have lost all confidence in defence since Chris Bridge ran over him at home against Warrington.
Looks very nervous going into the tackle at the moment.

I'd let him go to Union now if he can't be bothered putting in effort the rest of the season. He's clearly already got one eye on what he's doing next year.

Can't see him suited to Union myself but he'll get more money and publicity, so I can see why he would consider it. We are seriously lacking at centre at the moment and it's something we should be addessing but don't seem to be.
Even when Gelling is back we are hit and miss due to his style of play - one minute brilliant the next idiotic.
It's anybodies guess when or if Thornley comes back and even then he's not what you would call a top centre.

Hopefully Thornley will be available soon to put his position under threat. I also think that performance showed how much Farrel's defence is missed on the left edge. Sarginson-Farrell= turnstile. Sarg has been good going forward but his defence has been woeful at times. Maybe he thinks you don't to tackle in rah rah.

We definately missed Faz and we also missed Clubb and Flower. That left a big hole in our forward line. Lloyd and Crosby are nowhere near their quality and it showed yesterday.
Mossop isn't showing up for me and Lockers is just not match fit and looks way of the pace at the moment.

It would be great if someone could highlight where all these Centres we are missing out on are...

Sarge is a talented player, and with some effort, defensive frailties can often be overcome.

Look at Jarrod Croker at the Raiders. Always a decent attacker (plus an excellent goal-kicker), he was widely derided for being a turnstile in defence. But his game has improved out of all recognition in the last couple of seasons, and he's now club captain.


Hey, perhaps he's the guy we could do with! Kill two birds with one stone!

Turnstyle

No, turnstile.

With Sarg for leaving or the club for not keeping him?

I asked Ian L after the catalan game as he came out the changing rooms is it true sarge has signed for bath, his reply word for word,

No, we have taken the year option on him, but I don't know why, after his recent performances I wish we hadnt bothered.