This game is massive for us, we need to find some form and quick. I think some 'senior' players need to take a game out on the sidelines and have a think where they want to be for the rest of the year. First of all Liam Farrell. Why he is changing his style to become some kind of enforcer is beyond me. He needs to go back to doing what has made him the England international he was at the end of last year because at the minute I wouldn't even pick him for the team. Charnley - if Burgess deserves a week on the sidelines for his form then so does Josh. Bowen - I have been a massive supporter of his, I want him to succeed at wigan, I thought he had a good first year and would really step it up this year after settling in but he is getting worse.

1. Hampshire
2. Manfredi
3. Gelling
4. Sarginson
5. Burgess
6. Williams
7. Smith
8. Clubb
9. McIlorum
10. Mossop
11. Joel Tomkins
12. Patrick
13. Bateman

14. Tautai
15. L Tomkins
16. Greenwood
17. C. Farrell

Bowen and Charnley don't deserve to play after last night that's for sure. Guys like Gelling and Faz would be lucky to but there's not a great deal of choice. There was only Bateman who really bust a gut but we can't play with one player.

I'd go-

Hampshire
Manfredi Gelling Sarginson Burgess
Williams Smith
Sutton McIlorum Clubb
Tomkins Farrell Bateman

Mossop Tautai Patrick Tomkins

The situation we are in do we think it is a quick fix?

Sarginson
Manfredi Gelling Gildart Burgess
Williams Hampshire
Mossop McIlorum Clubb
Tomkins Patrick
Bateman

Powell
Sutton
Tautai
Crosby

Obviously never going to happen but this is what I'd like to see.

Interesting... Seems that the way to settle the team down, is to completely unsettle it... BRILLIANT!

As an outsider who's only gloating a bit, I'd agree with this 100%. There are some ridiculous posts re doom and gloom on here at the moment. The fact of the matter is that Wigan will find form and WILL finish in the top 4 at the end of the season. the last thing you need is change. FWIW, my opinion is that Wane is playing the wrong type of game with certain players. He's putting too much emphasis on playing right on the edge of the laws of the game. Liam Farrell is a prime example, he's normally a superb second row who has great success running out wide. At the moment he's purely and simply a penalty machine who's lost his way completely and is trying to be some kind of second rate enforcer. If Wigan start playing rugby again they'll be a good side.

That team would lose to even Hull.

If Hull turn their first 40 mins v Leeds into 80 mins we have a heck of a game on our hands.
Even if they managed 60 mins it will be a big test.
We have to ensure they play their second 40 mins standard for the whole game and that will need a massive improvement from us to get the 2 points!

We have such a brilliant record at the DW. You should be quaking in your boots vs the 10th, probably 11th by tomorrow, placed team.

The age old Wigan solution to every problem - kids even more kids in.

Least your kids are decent

To find the reason for farrells change in style of play look no further than wane.

Looking forward to the game. Just hope we (Hull) get some players back. It'll be close, especially after last years shambles. If I remember right we won the year before against your youth team that you put out. A great night out over the big hill.

I think it will be a easy win for you guys, you have nothing to worry about

Two tense sides I'd have thought.

Hopefully we can use that tension and desperation like Cas did last week against us.

Not sure why a few people keep putting Gildart in their teams. If preseason has shown one thing, it's he's not ready for SL.

He was terrorised at Leigh.

Is he not playing at Workington? He looks like a lad at that stage where a full season playing at that level would be best for him.

Interesting to see how both teams react to last week's respective disasters.
I think it will be a Wigan win which will be a relief if nothing else.
The real test will come the following week when we play Leeds at their place.
A convincing win against Hull could do a world of good prior to a trip to Headingly.

The Leigh centre I think he played against was Tom Armstrong a big strapping 6ft-3in 15and an half stone centre, an ex Saints junior who was released.

It is in the press that HKR and Cas have been watching Armstrong this last few weeks.

I don't think wholesale changes would particularly help:

FB 1 Bowen
RW 2 Charnley
RC 3 Gelling
LC 4 Sarginson
LW 22 Manfredi
SO 6 Williams
SH 7 Smith
P 17 Clubb
H 9 McIlorum
P 23 Mossop
SR 11 Joel
SR 12 Liam
LF 14 Bateman

S 24 Tautai
S 26 Logan
S 28 Sutton
S 31 Connor

More important is the way we play. Read the riot act to Smith, Joel and Liam - no penalties! Inside needs to push better to enable the wingers to slide. Charnley had a howler last week but I don't think a player who has proved himself many times over should be dropped for one bad game

It was Greg Worthington on that side..Armstrong was on the other.

I agree with most of your post except I'm not sure he did have a howler.

He was isolated and Carney got past him for two tries. Josh scored two of his own so he was about even.

I'm not sure that anyone in the league could have stopped Carney in that mood.

Josh is a great player who is suffering because the rest of the team is. Other than Ryan Hall and Carney (on his day when his discipline is good) I'm not sure there are too many better wingers around.

I think Josh is the least of our worries.

He was at fault for two more tries as well, one through dropping a kick and one from a missed tackle which resulted in a walk-in after one pass. Any player who is at fault for four tries has had a howler in my book. Having said that I agree he will bounce back and isn't really a major concern going forward.

Hampshire
Charnley Gelling Sarge Burgess
Powell Smith
Mossop Williams Crosby
Tomkins Bateman
McM
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Faz Clubb Patrick/Sutton Tautai

This is method to the madness of this team.
I think often teams suffer when interchanges are made, even though the interchanges can play as many minutes as the starter. Considering this I'd like to try a 'starter' on the bench, bring Faz on with Sutton (for example) will keep the team strong after an interchange.

I've gone 'big' on the bench, I feel Wigan's pack has been dominated and unable to set the platform, they need to be dominate in defence and attack to get the team into the right field position for them to put on their structures through the backs.

Lets start to win the arm-wrestle, allow the pack to get us into good field position then play a smart kicking game, which Powell, Smith and Williams all have (having all 3 on the field offers more kicking options at all times, back to basics with a low error count squeezing the life out of teams.
Interestingly I'm starting McM at 13, I believe he tackles as hard as anyone and can share the dummy half duties with Williams allowing for a strong bench.

Hampshire or Bowen was a difficult choice, but in this team I'd want blistering pace from the back, Hampshire offers that.

Yes Burgess has had some howlers, but I want to see his confidence developed so we get the winger back who was fantastic last year.

Well I'm just going to get drunk so I don't remember the shambles that will be displayed, even if we win I believe it will be one frustrating night at the office