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Fair play

He will be feeling much worse than Hohaia is today, he's lost his team a grand final, has an impending ban that will rule him out for a long time and it's all on show for the whole world to see.

Hohaia will have a black eye and a winners medal and a week of celebration.

It's fair to say Flower will suffer for his actions in many ways.

You usually find that a person's true character comes out at moments of high tension. These are times when they don't have time to consider what is right or wrong or what the possible consequences are, they just do what they actually want to do.

Wait, this can't be right. Surely we should all be basking in the brutality of what Flower did, and just being upset that he didn't kill Hohaia.

That's what the virtual terrace would have you believe.

I'm glad we've issued the apology. I feel the club need to discipline Ben internally also, a fine of some sort, just to show we won't tolerate that sort of behaviour.

Or people let their emotions get the better of them. Save your amateur psychology for your bone-head mates in the pub.

Who Invited Frasier Crane?

Pipe down.

tbh i think its Niles not Frasier. Seems that dumb tbh

I think you're giving him too much credit. The dog has more intelligence.

I've done silly things in the past based on emotion, I've learnt from them and would never do it again. The guy has made a huge mistake, he knows it and he's admitted to it. Time will tell as to whether he's learned from it.

I see your angle though, one mistake and he should be hung, drawn and quartered, no chance redeem himself at all, just write him off for good.

I hope your kids never get in a fight at school and go OTT, by your logic they'd be complete phsyco's and should be committed with no chance of ever putting things right?

Just wind your neck in and stop with the amateur phsyco babble.

"At Wigan we are known for being aggressive but we are constantly told to do this within the rules of the game and that punching isn't tough. We may aim to dominate teams, but we don't aim to hurt people."

Shaun Wane in a televised team talk:
"Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Create mayhem. Be reckless. Because that's what's going to get us a win."

People can make their own mind up about how genuine that Wigan statement is.

He could be Daphne's brother, the one that can't talk properly.

do you base of all of your views on edited documentaires?

It's one game and one incident, if this happened every other week you'd have a case, as it doesn't and it's an extremely isolated incident your just clutching.

People's emotions are what they really want to do. Why do you feel the need to become abusive? I presume you are feeling rather down today and letting your emotions get the better of you. You have not even the excuse of the heat of the moment in expressing your true character.

Oh the amount of times this has been spouted since last night. You realise Waney knew the cameras where on, yeah? You know that these things are edited, yeah? Or are you that mind-numbingly stupid to believe that's how the best coach in British Rugby League gives his team talks? I think you might just be. Go celebrate your win and leave those of us with intelligence to discuss this with some actual thought.

Tbh i think he is getting annoyed.

Saints win a GF and we get the press out of it.

If i was IL i would phone Don King tell him to book a fight between Sonny Bill and Ben Two Punch Flowers for Wembley Stadium asap. Could be the curtain raiser for the 4 nations. Or phone Dana White of UFC .

No, he bases them on my posts on the VT before "copy and pasting" them under his own username.

I'm rather calm today. Okay so using your logic...someone breaks into your house and you murder them, stabbing them repeatedly in the chest. This is in the heat of the moment. This must mean you're a cold blooded killer and all you think about day and night is murdering people?

Using your logic every time someone's emotions boil over, whether in sport or in life, they should be condemned by those actions, and be told by someone with the academic qualities of a pubic hair, that they did so because this is what they really want to do.

If you believe this, you're a moron, which your last two posts on this thread have shown you to be.

Wigan fans getting a bit sensitive then and Jeff continues the abuse.

I see you didn't take any of my points and try to debate them.

Just intolerant of know-it-all amateur psychiatrists.

Or mine, just another band wagon jumper.

He just got owned by my post and had to resort to his default.

To be fair, the video of the "team talk" does not appear to be brutally edited so that you could argue that he didn't say those things or that he didn't mean to say them and if you accept that he DID say those things in the context of a motivational dressing room team talk - and thats how it appears to be - then there is at least an outstanding question of how much of a contributing factor was this to the attack to the head of a semi-conscious (at best) player laying prone on the ground ?