No team has won the grand final and the challenge cup since the cup was moved to August. The stains will try and say they have done this double but they played the cup match in May. Without lockers and a team that's not interested in getting to the final I get the feeling our season is going to continue with the poor form we can't seam to play through. I can't tell you how much I hope I am wrong.

2006. Challenge cup final was in August. Saints won that and went on to win the Grand Final.

Sorry mate but you've had a bit of a mare here.

But nobody has done it in the current 8 team format.
When Saints did it in 2006 they had a week off in the first round and then another week off before the final.

Wasn't that also another "salary cap cheating year" for Saints?

Now now, I get abuse on here for derailing threads. Stick to the topic old man.

In the OP there was no mention of which playoff format was in use.

Maybe he /she didn't realise, so the point was valid as the systems are different. And am I correct about the salary cap breach that year?

The point he/she made was regards to the timing of the cup final.

Stick to the topic, I've been threatened with a ban for less.

No you haven't and we're not on the lookout for a new mod thanks.

You should be on the "Can't win fook all" thread

Touché.

And I've done what to deserve this latest round of abuse?

If a fellow Wigan fan had pointed out the error in the OP, would he/she be treated like this?

So was it a different system and in 2006 did Saints do the double whilst breaching the salary cap?

Yes it was a different system, but that isn't what the OP was referring to.

The salary cap has absolutely nothing to do with this thread as it had no bearing on what happened on the field.

You must be very bored to keep trying to get a rise out of me on this issue; you won't succeed.

Answer the question, did Saints breach the salary cap in that season, and why you're doing that you may as well tell us if was it a level salary cap that season?

Surely it's relevant as that's the last time the double was achieved.
And we know we won't get an answer, and the reasons why.

The reason I'm not going to answer you is that several people, including a mod, has had a go about me supposedly derailing threads, or at least contributing to the derailing of a thread. I won't allow you to coax me into doing it again.

If you can't stick to the subject of a thread, don't post. I won't reply to another one of your posts that isn't related to the subject in question.

So no team has won the GF and CC in the same season under a top 8 playoff format. And the last team to do it breached the salary cap as well.

If only the OP had said that. Could have saved us all an hour or so

Well this was a good thread, well done gents, top notch stuff

So Rogues is discounting saints treble because the RFL decided to hastily arrange a halfd mid season test match which led to a couple of saints players getting a bonus for making an England debut?

Sounds reasonable.

If a team is good enough to do the double they will. There's a fair chance Wigan could do it this year.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with FTV on this one. This thread was clearly made to highlight our perceived inability to win both trophies on offer this year, despite having one of the easiest routes to the trophy for many a year (240 points scored compared to 28 conceded in our cup run tells its own story).



This Wigan team is good enough, and I don't think we'll get an easier chance to do it for a long long time, but on current form, they're not convincing very many people at all. I too hope that I am vastly wrong.

Are you sure about that Jim? Unless a player has told you that personally I'm not sure how you could know that until we see their attitude on Thursday night.

The double is very very hard under current circumstances. Warrington have come closest so far last year.

In 2006 saints had a pretty easy final against huddersfield who at the time were in the lower half of a 12 team league. They then only had to win 1 game to get to old trafford and had a week off either side. So it was staked in their favour.

Now the playoff format is more difficult to negotiate.

Despite wigans poor form they still have a chance. If they win on thurs they are one game away so must fancy the chances in that situation.

If they lose, they just have to beat hullkr/saints at home. Certainly not a foregone conclusion but if wigan can up their intensity they should have it in their locker. They are then just 80 minutes away from old trafford, against a hudds team that IMO could be jittery whereas wigan will be battle hardened and fresh off a nice derby win.

The final itself is another story, but wigan should be able to make old trafford. The question is will they play leeds or warrington.

I reckon we'll end up playing Huddersfield in week 3 regardless of what happens on Thursday, and I reckon we'll find it in us to turn them over. However, I just can't see us coming up with the goods against Wire or Leeds in the final. Wire have had the better of us since '06 and Leeds are so used to turning up and winning at Old Trafford every year. Thursday will be a big indicator of whether Wane can sort out our attack in time, Huddersfield are a very good defensive side and if we can get over for 4 or 5 tries against them we can against anybody.

When we won the Challenge Cup in 2010, the defeated team (Leeds) went on to win the Grand Final, I think that they didn't lose a game again after the final all season, if a beaten finalist can do it, why not the winning team ?

Only last season the same two teams played out the CCF and GF.

It's far from impossible.

My point exactly, winning one trophy should give you the confidence to go on and win the other, injuries to major players is the key, at present we have one main casualty, if we are lucky enough to keep the rest of the squad healthy (as healthy as they can be at this time of year), we should be able to compete with the best.