There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231

There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Jon wilkin is one of the biggest pussies in so, he has no idea what it means to 'rip in'. I'll bet my mortgage that he has a stinker on Monday and kicks off for no reason. Possibly the most overrated player in the league and media BITCh

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Jon wilkin is one of the biggest pussies in so, he has no idea what it means to 'rip in'. I'll bet my mortgage that he has a stinker on Monday and kicks off for no reason. Possibly the most overrated player in the league and media BITCh

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Good on Jon Wilkin. All he is doing is trying to generate interest in the game just like Greg Burke has been doing this week with the media and that can only help to encourage people to take an interest.

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Good on Jon Wilkin. All he is doing is trying to generate interest in the game just like Greg Burke has been doing this week with the media and that can only help to encourage people to take an interest.

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Well I bet our pack are quaking in their boots after reading this, roll on Monday, will we be able to handle the intimidating atmosphere at the Trailer Park, no cladding yet, could be windy !

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Well I bet our pack are quaking in their boots after reading this, roll on Monday, will we be able to handle the intimidating atmosphere at the Trailer Park, no cladding yet, could be windy !

Hope they do rip in because it'll be the first time in a while if they do. I'm really looking forward to this one but we need to be sensible and admit it's not even a close 2nd in importance terms to the semi final the week after.

On that basis I'd probably go with a side along the lines of-

Hampshire, Charnley, Goulding, Gelling, Thornley, Green, Smith, Flower, McIlorum, Mossop, Tuson, Hughes, Lockers. Subs- Lauaki, Taylor, Burke, L Tomkins.

That feels about right to me.

The cup semi a week later, Saints having a shocking season and the fact league points don't count for much given the top 8 system, have all conspired to take the shine off this fixture. However, it is Saints so I'll be giving it some in the stands as usual and we know Wane will have the lads up for it. That worries me in a way, the last thing we want is to knock 7 bells out of each other then be too fatigued/injures to put London to the sword. With that in mind, line up wise I'd go:

FB 35 Tierney
RW 2 Charnley
RC 3 Goulding
LC 22 Gelling
LW 5 Richards
SO 6 Green
SH 7 Smith
P 20 Dudson
H 23 Logan
P 10 Mossop
SR 16 Tuson
SR 29 Burke
LF 13 O'Loughlin

S 8 Lauaki
S 15 Flower (used at SR)
S 19 Taylor
S 32 Hampshire (to be used in the halves with Smith moving to hooker to spell Logan)

Rested/rotated - Sam (perhaps injured anyway), Crosby, McIlorum, Hansen and Farrell
Tell those fringe lads they are playing for a spot in a cup semi, and possibly a cup final thereafter, they might go for it a lot more than the first teamers who know they'll be in there.

Is Taylor back them?

Played for South Wales on Sunday didn't he? So people have said anyway.

There's some competition in the pack to say the least.

Ah yeah just seen your post on the injury thread, I'll edit my squad to put him in

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Reading the above Link it seems that Mr Wilkin is trying to talk himself into Mr Sinfields position for the forthcoming World Cup. Kettle and Pan comes to mind.

Quote ="LewCharnock"There's not been much talk before this game so far, but I for one, am really looking forward to it. I have heard Sam will not play, as he was nowhere near fit v Widnes. Oh and part of Wane's team talk has already been done for him .. www.sthelensreporter.co.uk/sport ... -1-5862231'" Reading the above Link it seems that Mr Wilkin is trying to talk himself into Mr Sinfields position for the forthcoming World Cup. Kettle and Pan comes to mind.

Haha that's embarrassing from Wilkin. Your forwards have murdered ours every time in the last few years. I'm sure the likes of laffranchi and LMS will be as pathetic and ineffectual as usual.

There is absolutely no confidence from the fans and it will be some sort of miracle if we get close to beating you.

The is the least anticipated derby since Good Friday.

Iv got a bad feeling about Monday.

Tomkins or Hampshire, Charnley, Goulding, Gelling, Richards, Green, Smith, Lauaki, Mcllorum, Mossop, Hansen, Farrell, O'Loughlin. Subs. Flower,Tuson, Dudson, Powell or Tomkins L.

Saints speccies not too optomistic: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=554398&tsmp=1374142380

Saints speccies not too optomistic: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=554398&tsmp=1374142380

Rugby League's version of Christopher Biggins, how long before he's on Big Brother or 'I'm a Celebrity'

He'll be in the jungle with Ant and Dec before long. He needs to stop talking crap in the media and put in some performances along with some other well paid under performing players.

I expect monday to be a no contest non event. We all expect to lose (bar a couple of deluded people) and it is probably a meaningless game anyways in the bigger picture. Wigan will be fired up as always and we'll be out for a stroll as always. Current Saints team simply has no heart , losing is bearable when there is effort but we just seem to roll over these days.

I hope your right but I believe Saints will lift themselves for this, less than a week to very important semi-final for us, and, a chance for your boys to get some pride and home support back on their side, I hope at least its a good game for the Sky viewers and gives some great entertainment.

I very much doubt it will be of the same or similar quality to the Wire game which is shame as it really should be

There are no meaningless games for Saints at this time of the season. They are 1 or 2 points above 9th and have to play Wigan/Wire/Hull/Catalans yet, every game is a big game if u want to make the playoffs

On paper with the exception of us lacking a real 6 (unless biscuit bones wheeler makes a 10 minute cameo - probably at prop knowing Brown) it should be a good game but we have too many players who don't perform to there best or cant anymore for whatever reason.

This is not a vintage Saints team but I dont think the current Wigan team is all that good when you take out Tomkins who is exceptional, the big difference for me is attitude and aggression. Wigan have the right attitude in every game and have more aggression than a wrestler on roids where Saints are a team jam packed full of shrinking violets who look like they'd rather be playing touch Rugby.

Making the 8 is pointless for us as we will make no impact.

Anyways what you doing off Redvee?

After the way our form dipped in the past 5 weeks I'd argue O'Loughlin is almost as important to the team as Sam. We seem to fall to bits when either don't play. Charnley and Farrell are up there with the best in the league too but not as important to us as Sam and Lockers. The rest of our players are good not great, but having said that, which team is laden with superstars? I couldn't name more than 2 irreplaceable and 2 very good players at Wire or Leeds either

edit, just given it a go, to be fair I make it 2 irreplaceable and 3 very good for Wire (Briers and Westwood irreplaceable - both Monaghans and Hill very good) and 1 irreplaceable and 3 very good for Leeds (Sinfield irreplaceable - Watkins, Hall and Burrow very good). Point remains that the 'big three' who will be chasing trophies this year are all roughly the same in that regard.

Every successful team has to have a spine of quality players and Wigan have that.
Take any one out and they are the lesser for it.
One out and you miss him, two and a problem could arise, and so on.
Sam and Lockers are vital to the spine of the Wigan team.

According to Phil Wilkinson in the "Post" no Sam Lockers or Micky Mac for Monday !

I'm surprised at Lockers, I'd have thought he would be getting back into the swing of things. I wonder if Flower, Taylor and Lauaki will return....