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Wigan have announced the capture of sought after Hull KR forward, Scott Taylor.
Taylor was earmarked by several Super League sides after expressing his desire to leave the Robins, but elected to join former team-mate, Blake Green at the Warriors on a two year deal with an option in the club's favour for 2015.
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Wigan have announced the capture of sought after Hull KR forward, Scott Taylor.
Taylor was earmarked by several Super League sides after expressing his desire to leave the Robins, but elected to join former team-mate, Blake Green at the Warriors on a two year deal with an option in the club's favour for 2015.
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| Queue the Trolls winging about "Money-bags Wiggin"
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| Quote ="CyberPieMan"Queue the Trolls winging about "Money-bags Wiggin"
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Easy,
We're only spending the money RU gave us for Joel Tomkins.
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| It's nice that we've had the luxury to be able to 'choose' the players we want rather then just pick around any scraps that are available on free transfers when it's come to replacing the guys that have left.
Some will say we're not as strong and short term I agree but things could have been a whole heap worse had Ian Lenagan not been prepared to spend this cash. We've signed players with the future in mind.
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| 2 years sounds off.
I've no doubt the club have a plan in place though...
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| How long before he's scapegoated?
To be honest, it would be better if we just got it over with now.
So here goes:
I blame Taylor.
Remember, you heard it here first.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Easy,
We're only spending the money RU gave us for Joel Tomkins.'"
All that money was reported as income in the 2011 accounts (in fact without it the accounts would have shown a loss).
The money spent on Green, Smith and Taylor will be split in the accounts over the duration of their contracts. It will be interesting to see how much it totals, i'd imagine all the Tomkins money plus some will have been spent.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"All that money was reported as income in the 2011 accounts (in fact without it the accounts would have shown a loss).
The money spent on Green, Smith and Taylor will be split in the accounts over the duration of their contracts. It will be interesting to see how much it totals, i'd imagine all the Tomkins money plus some will have been spent.'"
If I remember correctly we didn't get it all in one lump some anyway. The payments were staggered over 2/3 seasons. I may have made that up though.
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| Quote ="Deano G"To be honest, it would be better if we just got it over with now.
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We also need to get the arguments about just what his contract really said out of the way for two years down the line. It's two years plus a third in the clubs favour OK !!!!
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| Quote ="Pemps"If I remember correctly we didn't get it all in one lump some anyway. The payments were staggered over 2/3 seasons. I may have made that up though.'"
No, you're wrong. You didn't make it up, there's still an amount outstanding.
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| Quote ="Deano G"How long before he's scapegoated?'"
I don't think he will be provided people don't think he is instantly going to be the next Andy Farrell.
If he is viewed as a player for the future which at 21 he should be then there should be no silly expectations and we can all be pleasantly surprised if he does as well as Dudson for example.
The players who should hit the ground running are the experienced players we sign who need to delivery quickly, like Lauaki (who IMO hasn't improved from being average at Hull).
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| What is his best position and main attributes?
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| Quote ="Pemps"If I remember correctly we didn't get it all in one lump some anyway. The payments were staggered over 2/3 seasons. I may have made that up though.'"
Pretty sure the full fee (£240k) is reported as revenue for 2011 in the accounts. I'd imagine everything left to pay will be down as a debtor.
Without the £240k from the sale of Tomkins Wigan would have operated at a loss in 2011 despite going to Wembley that season.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Pretty sure the full fee (£240k) is reported as revenue for 2011 in the accounts. I'd imagine everything left to pay will be down as a debtor.
Without the £240k from the sale of Tomkins Wigan would have operated at a loss in 2011 despite going to Wembley that season.'"
Fair do's. I thought I may have read it on here but if I did, like 90% of the stuff on here, it'll be a made up FACT.
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| Quote ="Pemps"If I remember correctly we didn't get it all in one lump some anyway. The payments were staggered over 2/3 seasons. I may have made that up though.'"
You didn't. From the accounts:
21 POST BALANCE SHEET EVENTS
In [uJanuary 2012[/u an agreement was reached with Saracens Rugby Union Club Ltd for the transfer of Joel Tomkins for £240,000, [upayable over 2 years[/u.
Given Wigan published abbreviated accounts we don't know if they included this in the 2011 Accounts figures as the detail simply isn't there, or if they were simply flagging it up (as they are required to do).
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"You didn't. From the accounts:
21 POST BALANCE SHEET EVENTS
In [uJanuary 2012[/u an agreement was reached with Saracens Rugby Union Club Ltd for the transfer of Joel Tomkins for £240,000, [upayable over 2 years[/u.
Given Wigan published abbreviated accounts we don't know if they included this in the 2011 Accounts figures as the detail simply isn't there, or if they were simply flagging it up (as they are required to do).'"
Yeah that's right. On that basis the accounts won't have included the money in 2011 and the profit wasn't dependant upon selling players.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Yeah that's right. On that basis the accounts won't have included the money in 2011 and the profit wasn't dependant upon selling players.'"
Wigan officially announced his departure to Saracens on November 7th "with immediate effect" so within those accounts timeframe. God knows if it's included or not.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I don't think he will be provided people don't think he is instantly going to be the next Andy Farrell.
If he is viewed as a player for the future which at 21 he should be then there should be no silly expectations and we can all be pleasantly surprised if he does as well as Dudson for example.
The players who should hit the ground running are the experienced players we sign who need to delivery quickly, like Lauaki (who IMO hasn't improved from being average at Hull).'"
I wasn't expecting Gelling to be world-class straight away, but that didn't stop the pitchfork and torch wielding lynch mob going after the lad.
It could be worse for Taylor than Gelling - he's being "bigged up" by quite a lot of people and if he doesn't deliver quickly then he'll be the latest in a long line of scapegoats (which ironically has included Andy Farrell!)
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| Taylor is a workhorse and will run hard all day. When you let him, he'll provide a good offload. He also make decent ground. If you was to liken his style to anyones it would be Peacock. I'm not saying he's that good, i'm just saying he has a similar style and with the right coaching, may realize his full potential and be mentioned in the same breath as Peacock.
I believe a certain Phil Clarke likened him to a young Jamie Peacock also.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"Taylor is a workhorse and will run hard all day. When you let him, he'll provide a good offload. He also make decent ground. [uIf you was to liken his style to anyones it would be Peacock[/u. I'm not saying he's that good, i'm just saying he has a similar style and with the right coaching, may realize his full potential and be mentioned in the same breath as Peacock.
I believe a certain Phil Clarke likened him to a young Jamie Peacock also.'"
If he achieves half as much in the game as Peacock we've got ourselves a hell of a player !!
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Wigan officially announced his departure to Saracens on November 7th "with immediate effect" so within those accounts timeframe. God knows if it's included or not.'"
if its a post balance sheet event it wouldnt have been in those accounts but in this years. You have to mention "big" transactions which will appear in the next set of accounts. Post balance sheet events are the "gossip" part of the accounts.
Its looking like IL waited until he received the cash before he spent it, unlike wendyball were they spend cash they havent got
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"if its a post balance sheet event it wouldnt have been in those accounts but in this years. You have to mention "big" transactions which will appear in the next set of accounts. Post balance sheet events are the "gossip" part of the accounts.
Its looking like IL waited until he received the cash before he spent it, unlike wendyball were they spend cash they havent got'"
too many bloody accountants on these forums
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