We would have won. Several of their tries came from obstructions and knock ons and would have gone to the screen. It once again highlights poor refereeing standards and inconsistancies. What about when Goulding was out cold?? I thought if a player had a head injury play had to stop...

but it wasnt.

From memory their first try looked dubious but I was at the other end which gave me a perfect view of their last try which was an embarrassment. The 12 year old in goal judge lost the plot but then who's putting lads like those in these positions anyway?

Even with those decisions and the players we rested we still only have ourselves to blame.

precious!

Correct.

Just saying the same myself.

Certainly one of their first half tries would have been ruled out had the VR been used at that game for an obstruction, Briscoe's "knock on" in the build up to another would have been worth a look too. I'm not sure on the ruling regarding Goulding's situation but he was out cold.

End of the day though, the referees are not going to be blamed for seriously underestimating the opposition.

Had you not shown chronic disrespect you would have won. That's an awful excuse and you should be looking at the real reason you lost today.

Agreed. Wigan's defeat (apparently they lost, I was shocked when I checked on the BBC) was due to the referee, not from the fact they picked seventeen random lads off King Street last night and played them.

I'm sorry but televised or not we missed to many 1 on 1 tackles, dropped to much ball and widnes didn't their completion rate was good today and they deserved the win. We shouldn't be conceding 37 points against anyone never mind widness

Listening to it on the radio it seemed a few calls went Wigans way....but I can't really comment, I wasn't there

P.S He is a shocking ref though tbh, it is embarassing todays reffing performances.

There where a few dubious calls. But had we not been so disrespectful to Widnes and played all our best players then we would probablynot have been in the position where 1 or 2 dodgy try's could cost us. It was poor play on our part to lose good leads like we did, not only once but twice.

I'm not sure how the one after that knock on was given, Hicks was actually about to blow the whistle for a knock on then just changed his mind when the try was scored. And another try would have been chalked by a video ref off for a blatant obstruction on Hock. But either way, they where the better team, There was an obvious lack of leadership out there today and at times it was obvious that people didn't know what they where meant to be doing. they out enthused us and the fact that wane chose to rest so many key players will have been motivation enough for Widnes.

We got what we deserved today.

In fairness there were questions about Widnes's first two tries (knock on first, obstruction for second), however Wigan's first two tries in the second half were both dubious. The officials were very poor today, but equally bad for both sides and not the reason for Wigan's defeat.

They only have to stop the game if the injured player is interferring with play

'we wuz robbed'

I'd also have to ask why we had about 10 players to the left of the play the ball when Goulding was down anyway?

Total lack of composure and concentration time and again.

Probably got a point. But that's neither here nor there, we should have won easily anyway whether the officials were awful or not.

Got to say though the standard of officials need to improve in superleague. I don't necessarily mean the referees although they could improve at times, its more the touch judges and in goal referees. Some look like they should be collecting there pension, others look like they've just rolled out of pub after 10 pints and like today some seem about 12 and would no way make a big decision helping the referee. Surely the quality could be improved.

I've asked that question on a couple of forums. Are you sure? I thought that for head injuries the game had to be stopped, as was the case in the HKR v Bradford game last night, or is it at the refs discretion?

Maybe it's one for refs call on Thursday nights Radio Manchester show.

Hock and lauiki dirtyness would ave been spotted too!

I think the key point is that play is supposed to halt if an injured player is lying prone on the floor and at an unacceptable risk of being trampled by either the attack or defence.

If a player is injured in backplay it's rare that play is stopped. At least from experience.

We played London away (Brentford, IIRC) a good few years ago where we had a player down injured and Silverwood refused to stop play, despite the active play going past him about three times up & down the pitch.

Im sure you have your Wigan goggles on and I have my Widnes goggles on .... but I thought the ref gave you more than he gave us. Some of the penalty decisions left me rather confused thats for sure. Bottom line is the ref doesnt matter, with Tomkins in the team you would of won. Although the young lad you had at full back was great, 2 tries and took a lot of high balls very well.

cmon….. you cant have it both ways!

just had a quick look back to your posts about how good it was seeing that team sheet!

And then after the game ripping it to bits………...

The rule is if the officials deem it a serious injury the game should be stopped now someone not moving for 60 seconds to me is serious