www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... _Team.html I really hope he realises Widdop has to start at 6 before the Australia game

www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... _Team.html I really hope he realises Widdop has to start at 6 before the Australia game

the only two plus points to this is:

He realised the team needed a game together to gell.

They did get a game to gell.

Bad points well i dont have enough time to say but i will try. The team looked worse against france than the knights squad. Hes going to try and take on the aussies with 1 prop on the bench. when will he actually believe what bull he sprouts out and give the players who deserve there shot such as mossop carvell and a few others and drop wilkin and jjb. I hope he realises that widdop should be at 6.

The most important change we need is a change of coach.
The guy's just hopeless!

Won't beat aussies with Sinfield at 6.

1 - Sam
2 - Charnley
3 - Reed
4 - Yeaman
5 - Briscoe
6 - Widdop
7 - Chase
8 - Morley
9 - Roby
10 - Graham
11 - Ellis
12 - Westwood
13 - Sinfield

14 - Carvell
15 - Bailey/Griffin
16 - JJB
17 - Mossop

I wanted to see Widdop/Sam at 6.

i'd have widdop 6, sinfield on bench, JJB or wilkin for another prop. plus may swap Morley for someone else. But other than that totally agree with the head coach

Widdop or Sam at 6.
Sinfield at 13.
4 props in the 17.

Something like:

Sam/Widdop
Hall Reed Yeaman Briscoe
Sam/Widdop Chase
Morley Roby Graham
Ellis Heightington
Sinfeld
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Carvell Peacock Westwood Wilkin

Exactly that team for me. Though can I ask why you have Sam/Widdop at 1 or 6. Sam has played a full season at fullback and Widdop has played a full season at stand off (well 5/8th

). Why would you consider swapping them for the internationals?

Won't beat Aussies with Widdop at 6.

It's highly unlikely but we stand more of a chance with Widdop at 6 than Sinfield, Widdop is the second best player in that England team in my opinion.

Can't pick the team I would want to play because half the best players are not in the squad given banana's frankly pants selections - picking from the current squad though the best team we could pick is as follows IMO;

1. Sam
2. Hall
3. Reed
4. Yeaman
5. Briscoe
6. Widdop
7. Chase (begrudgingly as we have no other scrum halves FFS!!)
8. Peacock
9. Sinfield
10. Graham
11. Wilkin
12. Westwood
13. EDIT: Ellis
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14. Roby
15. Morley
16. Carvell
17. Jones-Bishop

steve, if you choose to have 3 props in the team against Aus/NZ then you should just kill yourself

No Gareth Ellis ? surely that must be a mistake Wilkin isn't half as good.

I'm not looking forward to this series at all.

If we lose by less than 30 points against the Aussies with that line up, I'd be amazed.

We have a respectable, if not brilliant, pack but our backs are just so ordinary. Only Tomkins is up to international class and he's playing way off his peak because he's injured/contemplating RU.

We always used to say that the thing about the Aussies was that they have strength in depth and could pick another 17 that was almost as good as the first team. Sadly we can now say the same about England, but it's mediocrity in depth, I'm afraid.

I seriously think Ben Westwood would be a revelation at prop against the Aussies, I think he should have a bash at prop

According to the BBC Wilkin is claiming to be in the form of his life.

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I should really have a dig at him, but I can't muster the enthusiasm even to take the p%ss out of a Stains player.

Forgot he'd picked Ellis in the squad - In which case id drop heightingon for him....looks alot stronger then.

The thing with Wilkin is he's a decent SL player but he isn't international standard and thinks he's Wally Lewis instead of a 2nd rower.

You get JJB who isn't the best 2nd rower in the world but he will graft and put big hits in and play hard, I just think Wilkin is a 'cherry on the cake' sort of player where he would stand out playing for a good side but isn't good enough on his own to make much of a difference against the Aussies and Kiwis.

I think his bench spot should be used instead on Carvell, Griffin or Bailey, someone with a bit of 'sshyit' in em to ruffle the Aussies.

People may laugh at Bailey but when he starts acting the prat it ruffles the opposition and I think that's something we need to do against the Aussies, if we go out to play a normal game of Rugby League against the Aussies we will get stuffed but if we 'put it up em' we stand half a chance.

Wilkin is nothing more than a "Flat Track Bully"
The only thing noticeable about him in regards to this seasons GF is his newspaper article, I can't remember him doing anything more than tackle in the final, he definitely didn't want the ball that often

He would never get in any international side of mine unless he has distant Scottish. Welsh or Irish parentage

Sorry to say this but anyone who isn't picking heighington at least in the 17 needs to spend some time watching some NRL games.

Sam
Hall
Reed
Yeaman
Briscoe
Widdop
Chase
Morley
Roby
Graham
Westwood
Ellis
Heighington

Sinfield
Peacock
Carvell
J J-B

That's from the squad he picked, but I'd like to have seen Mossop in that squad. And I think it's time Peacock ended his international career. Not saying he's bad, I'd just like to see some younger lads in that squad.

Who is this Sam everyone keeps referring too? Bob Sam? John Sam? Dave Sam? Phil Sam? Who does this 'Sam' guy play for??

Any ticket updates? Can we pay on the day?

It shows how you little you know about what Wilkin contributes. Remember the Exiles game? Wilkin was one of the two players who made a clean break (the other being James Graham). He tackles his heart out regardless of who he is playing for, always ending a match at the top end of tackles completed. His support play is excellent and he can pull off some tremendous passes. All these things are positives. Just because he doesn't do 'big hits' doesn't mean he isn't of value. His weaknesses are lack of pace, inconsistent kicking (sometimes fantastic; sometimes atrocious) and occasional lack of discipline leading to a penalty.

Did joel not go the full length to score or was i watching something else, there is no way you can try and say wilkin is one of the first players to put hes hand up and take a big drive when its needed because hes not the kind of player. yeah he is a good defender but you have westwood and elis who can tackle for a day if they needed to. and we don't need another play making forward if sinfield is going to be played anywhere.

Against aus and new zealand you know your going to be starting your set deep in your own half so you need as much forward power to get out of there or you will start conceding points.

I don't know what Joel Tomkins has to do with a discussion about Jon Wilkin?

Anyway, Jon Wilkin is extremely good defensively but, as I also said, he is an extremely good support player and he [idoes[/i make breaks. His passing can also be sublime. He performs just as well at international level as he does at club level. He will have his role to play just as the other team members do.