No excuses, we were well beaten today by a more energetic and enthusiastic Saints side, it looks as if we are gonna have to do it the hard way again if we are to win the GF...whatever happens, this season has been a good one , i would have accepted the Challenge Cup and a 2nd place finish when the season started..next week it looks like Catalan(or Hull), that will be tough , if we can beat them then we can go to saints and win,it's not beyond us

The team hasn't been the same since the first 25 minutes of the CC final. They look jaded.

We look exhausted. Season over IMO.

I said exactly the same at the game. However, Sts were pretty good today. There goal line defence was outstanding and they took their chances clinically. Lomax has certainly done himself no harm for the England 7 shirt

Us and Wire have just swapped roles from last season. It just shows once again how much the challenge cup takes it out of you, it needs to be much earlier in the season, like end of July/June.

Saints defence was awesome today, but we were clueless in attack. Deacon was awful.

I think thats it for us to be honest. I cant see us beating Catalan we look well and truely shattered as a team. Too many players standing around lead footed. I think we peaked in the CC quarter final and Semi Final and weve being slowly going down hill from there.

I said before the game Farrell should have been rested, we lost that game in the forwards, needed power up front, should have been Mossop and Cross on the bench. Faz missed a crucial tackle on Lomax and was caught ballwatching for their second try in the 2nd half.

I've not seen us look so lethargic and tired for a long time. We were outplayed in ever department today and can have no complaints about the loss. I'm certainly not saying there was a lack of effort on our part, Just the superb fitness that we had at points over the last 2 seasons seems to of burnt out now. Have we been worked too hard in training? who knows but I think its going to take an almighty effort to turn it around next weekend.

Wigan doing things the hard way as usual it seems!

Yes i agree should have rested most of the entire side last week against Crusaders. Instead of playing some players who really needed the rest. Hindsight is a marvellous thing but it was obvious against Crusaders that we were headed for defeat this week and i think we will get turned over by Catalans next game.

About the only thing MM got wrong in almmost 2 seasons but it was a mistake not to rest most of the pack along with Carmont, TL, Finch last week.

Lets just hope Hull FC can beat the Winos, would much rather play them than the Catalan Dragons next week.

should have played the entire u20s last week! result had no bearing on anything whatsoever, big mistake

Harsh to blame Farrell, I wish some of the others had the same enthusiasm and input with the ball. I thank Deacon for his contribution but it is time for him to leave the side now. He is a constant target in defence and although he tries hard I counted on numerous occasions the number of times he was involved in 3 consecutive tackles. Both him and Finch are distributing and not taking the line on enough (ironically Finch took it on and Locky scored for instance). I'd like to see Sam move to 6 for some unpredictability, Pat to fullback and Goulding maybe on the wing. Our backs had no ball today in the right areas. Well doen to Saints, we move on with a lack of confidence and I think the end of season is upon us sadly.

how is it that wire blow teams away from start to finish and wigan do just enough but are now looking a lot more fatigued than wire, i know the cc is ostly to blae for that but it's only 2 more matches for ya than us. think youre coach made a mistake by not resting players properly for both comps??

Not really got any excuses. Todays game means nothing if we win next week though. We are back to the same situation and I would rather play saints away.

The only slight positive i can see from us losing today is if we do manage to play Saints again we will go there with a point to prove and determined to put things right. Had we beaten them again today would we of been over confident next time around?

He made a couple of bad errors. Every game has a gamebreak moment and that Lomax break early in the second half was it after we had just scored. We would have had our tails up before that and could have took the game to them only being 2 points behind but their score soon after deflated us again. Like i put in another post Mossop would have been excellent cover in the 2nd row and also the beef we needed against their pack.

3 more games.

Biggest reason is that the main players have not been rested. Before and after CC final the last 2 seasons Wire have rested players. Should have rested players especially last week. Taking nothing from Saints we were poor today but we have been rather poor in the last 3 now. Only team i think that can stop Wire now in Leeds. Will be 1 hell of a choice for Tony Smith if he has the choice of Leeds or us. Leeds are playing well the last few weeks and are running into form.

you played us in the quarters and then the semi which is 1 game and then the final which is 2, are you saying that the magnificent maguire made a mistake??

And the World Club Challenge is 3.

Glad to see you can count.

Season over for me, its a massive effort to peak for the WCC and the CC run. Even if we pull a win next week we look well off the pace, many players look to be carrying a few knocks, others like Carmont, Hoffman and Deacs look shot and would probably be dropped if we had backup.

Personally Id settle for the CC this season and look to solidify and strengthen in a few areas for next season, it might be food for thought for Leneghan if the season does not finish on a high.

Fair play to Saints, they are very consistent and if your off the boil a bit you will be beaten, I'd also like to add Lomax is developing into a top-class back and should be a shoe in for the England squad come November. Saints played as they always do, strong in the middle, good defence and decent attacking plays. We didnt hit the straps today and they wore us down. If they get to the final though i can only see it being 5 Grand Final defeats in a row as they lack that extra 5% which mean they only score on half of the plays as they should be.

LOL that was quite a while ago, surely you can't count that. and anywayz read my post, i said only two games more in CC. never mentioned the wcc so why would i count that?

To be honest I am worried about next week. Catalan are a dangerous team and are pretty damn good!

They were excellent at the DW earlier in the season. But yeah the players are looking fatigued, just looks like the extra WCC game plus the challenge cup is too much for any side.

If we do beat Catalan it will be interesting to see who Warrington pick!

Gotta gree with that. The timing of the CC is poor at the moment

Becasue it is 3 games more. Thought i would remind you incase you forgot. That although i see as a glorified friendly did force use to play Cas midweek with a short turn around and i think we lost to Catalan on that weekend. Not making exsuses but Maguire did not rest some players enough this season. Maybe forced on him in part with the Fielden injury and Gleeson going. We have a big squad but in certain areas we are thin and it has showed since the CC.

I have not been Farrels biggest fan this season but apart from that missed tackle i thought that was his best game this season.

Deacon needs to go, I am hearing he wants to play on but he shouldnt. Our attack today was woeful and whilst saints defense was great we might as well as sent them our attacking manual to read before the game because they hardly had to think on their feet to keep us out. the times they did we scored. finch not much better.

did hoffman go off injured? never saw him or so I thought.

whole team looks tired and not up to it. Richards looks as slow as a cart horse and carmont and richards are our main attacking threat.

we wont make the GF of that I am sure.