So now the weekly rounds are pretty much out of the way, who would you put as your starting 17 for the 4 nations. Im choosing mine based on form and a few grey areas with injuries.

1 - Sam
2 - Charnley
3 - Yeamen
4 - Atkins
5 - Briscoe
6 - Widdop
7 - Brough
8 - Morley (c)
9 - Roby
10 - Graham
11 - Westwood
12 - Ellis
13 - Lockers

14 - Peacock
15 - Carvell
16 - Mossop
17 - Burrow ( hooking role)

Sam Burgess would have been there in place of Mossop but im not sure on the injury front whether he would be available.

With Burgess being out and Ellis now saying he's fit i'd line us up-

S Tomkins
Jones Bishop
Bridge
Reed
Hall
Widdop
Brough
Graham
Roby
Morley
Ellis
Westwood (i'd expect him back before long)
Lockers

subs
Mossop
Carvell
J Tomkins
Burrow/L Robinson (can't split them. Burrow is on great form as a back up hooker but Robinson was excellent down under last season).

I'd select just one from Peacock or Morley as we need to keep moving forward and Morley looks the better of the 2 with the most miles left on the clock.

If your going to go on current form, I wouldn't drop Mossop more Burgess, I would drop Peacock for Burgess. Peacock I think is moving into the stage now where he would be being picked on status rather than performance.

Charnley's attacking form has been superb but is he ready for the international set up yet? I think not, in the future yes, but at current I think the Aussies/Kiwi's would expose his defensive frailties.

Other than that, seems a fair side, although I think I might take Cudjoe over Atkins, but could go either way.

Haven't seen much NRL this year, how has Widdop been playing for Storm? Good enough for a England call up, or are we basing this on "plays NRL, must be better that anything we have" because I for one just simply don't buy into that.

a month or two ago widdop was leading the NRl in line breaks and assists as a 6.

Excellent by all accounts.

I don't get to watch any but read up on the reports and all have been very positive. He was missing his halfback partner recently in Cooper Cronk against St George (iirc) and questions were asked of him if he could step up without him and he answered those with a mom display.

Seems he's found his position at stand off.

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ben Jones Bishop
3. Jack Reed
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Gareth Carvell
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'loughlin
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14. Luke Robinson
15. Joel Tomkins
16. Jamie Peacock
17. Eorl Crabtree

1. Sam Tomkins
2. BJB
3. Jack Reed
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Luke Robinson
16. Joel Tomkins
17. Eorl Crabtree

If Burgess was fit i'd have him in over Eorl.

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Ben Jones-Bishop
3. Ryan Atkins ( has improved out of sight this year)
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Adrian Morley
11. Gareth Ellis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Jonny Lomax
16. Joel Tomkins
17. Garreth Carvell

1. Tomkins
2. Hall
3. Shenton
4. Atkins
5. Briscoe
6. Sinfield
7. Lomax
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Carvell
11. Joel tomkins
12. Wilkin
13. O'louglin

14.burrow
15. Morley
16. Widdop
17. Peacock

1. Sam Tomkins
2. Josh Charnley
3. Chris Bridge
4. Kirk Yeaman
5. Tom Briscoe
6. Gareth Widdop
7. Danny Brough
8. James Graham
9. James Roby
10. Jamie Peacock
11. Gareth Eliis
12. Ben Westwood
13. Sean O'Loughlin

14. Lee Mossop
15. Adrian Morley
16. Joel Tomkins
17. Rob Burrow

Jack Reed is a must in the centres

who does jack reed play for

No Worrincy anywhere?

Brisbane IIRC

Brisbane

Last I heard Reed was ready to commit to Queensland, has he decided yet?

S.Tomkins
T.Briscoe
K.Yeaman
L.Cudjoe
J.McGillvary
G.Widdop
D.Brough
J.Graham
J.Roby
G.Carvell
G.Ellis
B.Westwood
S.O'Loughlin

J.Lomax/L.Robinson
A.Morley
L.Mossop
J.Tomkins

I still think were weak in the centres. We have some really good wingers in BJB, Charnley, Hall ... But the centres let us down thats why i'd go with partnerships. Think BJB is going to be quality so tempted to put him in but iys who you'd pair him with.

Carvell has been immense this year and deserves a starting place alongside Graham who will give us mobility whilst alongside Carvell. That then leaves an experienced head Morley playing alongside Mossop to help him along.

Roby should play most of the game imo so i'd go with Lomax to add something different near the end if we need a lift.

Joel for his veratility on the bench. If any of the backrowers underperform Wilkin should come straight in hes had an exceptional year for Saints.

dont make me chuckle

1. sam
2. hall
3. atkins
4. bridge
5. briscoe
6.myler
7. brough
8.morley
9.roby
10.graham
11.westwood
12. ellis
13. lockers

robinson
burgess
carvell
peacock

Seems a long shot that Reed will opt to play for England.

I don't want Jamie Peacock anywhere near the England 17.

Agreed mate... I'd definitely put Lomax in there as he brings something different. Roby is a machine and will probably play the full 80 mins anyway

Dont make me chuckle!!

Crazy isn't it.

I'd agree Charnley isn't quite there yet but he will be an international player with 2 years.

Mossop is ready now. He along with Carvell have been the best 2 props in the league after Graham.

Charnley is a year or two away currently for sure. Mossop has been a monster for Wigan this year and serious questions need to be asked if he is not in the England 17. I do think he will be picked tbh. McBanana was singing his praises a few weeks back.

As for Atkins.....





Hes got the physique no doubt, but his awareness is non existent. Good runner but a shocking defender and terrible hands.

Myler has improved i think, but is still pretty one dimensional as a player. He will be in contention in a year or so, but not just yet.

But as for Atkins....

Talk about picking a player of reputation, could any body tell me when was the last time Peacock had a good game, or even what year it was.