...then Charnley's performance tonight was off the scale.

That is all.

He's young and was always due to have a bad game... better now than later when it really matters. Hopefully he will just learn from his mistakes and move on.

I thought Carmont had one of his worst games in a wigan shirt inside of him aswell though to be fair. His defence for Wires second try was appaling as he flew inside to get to a guy that was already covered leaving a huge hole for the impressive Blyth to stroll into and set up Monaghan.

Charnley made a couple of errors but it's all part of the learning curve and i'd like to think we'd get him a little more protection in future games if he continues on the wing(he should be playing right centre though imo).

Im a saints fan but im sure I speak on behalf of all 20 wigan fans who actually know about rugby and no, not you Hogan. But, get a clue. Charnley is young and learning the game. That overated winger is comming to the end of his career. There is a huge differerence.

Experienced player let's four balls bounce = shocker
Young lad in first full season drops four balls in first really big match infont of biggest crowd= unlucky lad, good effort, glad you,'ve got thatout the way.

Radlinski summed the whole thing superbly in the SS bar after the match.

I've never been good at cryptic crosswords Brian...care to enlighten

Well what did he say then?

good.

Radlinski basically said that Wire were more enthusiastic than we were. He brought Josh Charnley with him and Charnley himself said that he had a poor game but would do everything he could to put it right next week.

personally i think he was beating himself up too much. Poor kid had a tough game, it happens. Even the greats have had tough games. The main thing is to take it away as a positive, rather than a negative.

Well good for Charnley going to face the fans. That shows a bit of character. Mind you I hope Radlinski and the rest of the coaching staff realise it wasn't just a matter of enthusiasm. If we put it down to that alone we won't have learned anything.

I think it's harsh to criticise Charnley for some of his mistake tonight. He may have got beaten in the air a couple of times but he was facing Joel Monaghan! He's only a couple of centimetres shorter than Pat Richards so he's got the height and he's just as dangerous. Richards has embarrassed numerous players when we put attacking kicks to the corner because it's so hard for even good players to compete with him and the same goes for Monaghan. The attacking player almost always has the advantage because they are able to take a running jump for the kick and so get a bit of extra height. When you have the height advantage already it makes all the difference.

There was also a dropped ball when he wasn't under pressure. That to me was probably just a lapse in concentration. He was determined to get to the ball and got his body in a poor position to try to catch it so it was inevitable that he would knock on. He will learn from his mistakes, but Roberts did the same thing a couple of times against Huddersfield. When you've run across the pitch to defuse a kick it's hard to tell yourself to stop and let the ball bounce when you're committed, but when you're in an awkward position and there isn't much pressure that's usually the best thing to do.

young player.learning....rest him

I'd love to have Charnley at Wire, he is a very talented young player who has a great future in the game. There were other far more experienced Wigan players who were not good last night.

Felt sorry for the lad, didn't get the protection he needed from his centre or second row

Play Charnley in the centre instead of Marsh (nice lad, hard-working but not Wigan class I'm afraid) and put Roberts on the wing! Simple!

Roberts is getting stick this week and did nothing wrong, sums up the boo boys.

Charnley has now has 2 poor games from 3, he's young still learning and will bounce back and is obviously going to make a top class players. It's early season so no major worries from me.

It was carmont coming inside for the tries not charnleys fault

Were our own worse enemy if you don't preasurise a kicker like briers,brough etc we ll get kicked out of every game FACT .

I agree with this, we struggled when we played Hudds cos we didn't get in the face of Brough and the same happened against Briers last night. They are too good if we give them space on the last tackle. (Although none of what you said was a 'FACT'

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Charnley has been awesome the last 2 games before this lets not bash him on here

We saw doggy (who i slated big time) saying to briers kick it here everytime he's so small to me and he was bang on

So the entire result was down to enthusiasm then? Fair play to Radlinski for summing it up so succinctly.

Charnley was dreadful last night but he was absolutely superb last week and from what I've seen of him so far, last night is more likely to be the exception that the rule.

Roberts mistakes last week should have cost us the game and we got away with it. This week, poor Charnley was left too exposed by his team mates. At least he didn't flinch and had a go at catching the high ball.

What surprised me though was that mental pass he made to Sam behind his own line. Hope it was just inexperience.

He'll learn from it and come back even better. Everyone has an off day every so often and it was just unfortunate that he was not on his own last night. Confidence is a great thing in any walk of life and Wire were full of it last night and played well but it sort of reminds me of that bit at the end of Tora Tora Tora when Pearl Harbour had just been bombed and the admiral of the Japanese navy sits there saying 'I fear we have just awoken a sleeping giant' - I am hoping that is what happened with us last night