For all the effort simply is not good enough for a team with our ambition. It's a tough call but for me he needs to move on for both his career and the clubs benefit.

Wears his heart of his sleeve and will tackle all day long, but that's not what we need from a hooker.

His distribution hasn't improved since he first emerged in the first team, and he fails to take advantage of quick play the balls as the likes of Riddell and Leuluai do.

He's still young but I'm unsure he'll ever be good enough.

Doesn't have an ounce of creativity in him, does he. Tackles hard, runs hard but if you can't create then you'll only ever be an average hooker.

I thought he actually did ok

I agree with john but with piggy going and no hooker coming in what can we do?

I did too, thought he was much improved.

its the same everyweek. with piggy we look a very very dangerous side. we look to stabalise when MM is on the field. i fear if we dont buy a specialist 9 next year could be a nightmare, 9 for me is arguably the most important role on the field. we've signed lima, hoffman and finch. all that will be wasted if we are left with Tommy and MM to direct from acting half. neither can control a game from the rook. without a 9 next year could be a big disapointment.

I was of this opinion coming away from the match. I will have to watch it again though. His pass back on the inside for Joel Tomkins was sublime. Shame he just couldn't find the support.

Funny, i've been saying this all season but have had to put up with snide remarks and abuse, now he has been found out others are now saying the same thing.

No one takes you on thats why

shouldn't you be banned for your behaviour last week?

iv been saying it for a lot longer than that. This season though was his chance to shut the doubters up. Every second he is on the pitch I feel we are trying to hang on till Piggy comes back.

First choice next year will hopefully be:

1. Tomkins
6. Finch
7. Deacon
9. ?

Bench

Leuluai

What about young logan tomkins isn't he a hooker?

Is he ready for the step up?

Nowhere near.

Ah ok i keep saying i'm going to go up and watch them but never do

Same here. He's been out injured for weeks so to criticise how he has played in these two games as if this all he has to offer is premature IMO. He improved on his performance last week and if someone like Riddell or Sam had given JT that pass people would be cooing about it all night.

I also think people forget we can't have world class players all over the park with the salary cap.

Dave

Does a job as number 2, the worry for me is with Tommy as main choice next season, we would need a better number 2.

Was quite impressed with Micky tonight in all honesty. Seemed to be running with the ball more often at times before giving it to first reciever which gives the defence something else to think about. Shocked tbh with the critisism when he was much improved. Would like to see the game again myself and watch abit closer and see views from people who watched the game again on tv.

I thought he did ok, but as someone alluded to before, it was a holding period waiting for Riddell to return.

I'm a little worried about next year without a specialist and experienced 9 in the squad.

At least if Tommy is at hooker next season we wont rely on his kicking. It was awful tonight!

thats what the staff were saying about sam t last year..........if smith hadnt got injured he probably wouldnt have got a chance.

joels stepped up, sams steped up...why not give logan a shot?

No they werent saying that about Sam last year.

Jeez I feel sorry for Logan he is nowhere near ready for SL and there is already so so much pressure on him. Just because his last name is Tomkins doesnt mean he should be in there before anyone else in the reserves.

I ilke Deacs but in no way shape or form should he have the #7 jersey next season. Sadly we just can't count on him staying injury free long enough to build a working HB partnership up with Finch.

If Sam is staying at FB then it's either put Tommy at hooker and bring a new 7 in or keep Tommy at 7 and bring a new 9 in.

Either way we need one more recruit

Don't remember that ever being said!

As for the Smith remark (Goes into Mini Rogue Mode) You do know Tomkins made more appearances than Smith up until the game were he got injured don't you?

Hardly signs of him "Not being given a chance!".

Oh and PS

Wasn't Nobby going to pick him at FB and the Wigan fans thought he'd gone Mental!