back to his best tonight. what an absolute joke of a performance. Wigan are penalised relentlessly around the play the ball in the first half... clearly a preconcieved idea on the wigan/melbourne/huddersfield style of defence as leeds weren't exactly quick around the rook themselves.. the penalty on keith senior on the kick through when he was very badly done to ... putting joel tomkins on report for absolutely nothing, ignoring diskins chicken wing tackle in the first half, leeds numerous lazy arms at the play the ball. The list goes on. This was a very good effort tonight by both teams.. leeds determination was the stuff of champions and wigan who were in a lose/lose situation tonight ground out the result. I feel this could have been a much better specatcle if it wasn't for the man from over the hill beng obsessed by his own ego

Thought he had a good game myself. Quickened up the play the ball in the first 15 minutes and got the game flowing.

I'm not keen on waiting for the 'move' call, but at the end of the day Cummings has set the precedent with the World Club Challenge game, and it looks like we're going to be following it this season. You can't really blame the referees for that as this is how they are instructed to control the ruck (by Cummings, but indirectly by the NRL for a change).

thats all well and good but gansen was very inconsistent with this tonight. The trick of our style of defence is not laying on and just slowing the ball down. It is about having three or four men in the tackle. he shouts move and one by one the players peel off. But gansen was penalising if the rook wasnt clear within 1-2 seconds of the call. our rules usually allow a 3 second play the ball and the NRL seem to revolve around the surrender call which is about a 5 second play the ball, gansen did neither, he penalised when he felt like it tonight. last season gansen was good, tonight he was poor

Ganson had a good game tonight. He set his stall out early, taking no messing around the ruck, which was good IMO. It got the game moving. Only one unfair decision IMO and that was when the Leeds player was writhing around under Fielden, knocking the ball loose. Unfair judgement against a somewhat sloppy Fielden. But otherwise he made some really good calls for both sides.

End of thread.

if this was a thread about fieldens errors i would agree but it isn't.

Posting 5 minutes after full time about a referee performance is bad form. Unless you were running around on the pitch with Ganson. He doesn't have eyes everywhere.

Ganson had an awful game. How any one could see that as a fair performance I have no idea.

He penalised us for lying on, but not leeds; and that chicken wing tackle.

What chicken wing tackle?

and why is that CAM. because i didn't attend the game ???? i stated on various threads all week i wouldnt be at the game for personal reasons. I watched the game closely and thought the referee was poor... and this is a forum. wasnt aware there were rules about timescales on making coments about the game or rules about making comments if you didn't actually go to the game.... maybe you should explain what is good form and bad form and the rules and regs surrounding this so i know in the future what i can and cannot do on a PUBLIC forum

Not sure why I'm going to take you on, as you're simply a wind up merchant.

But Diskin in the first half.

Not hard to understand is it? No referee is perfect as much as you would like them to be. The holding down thing is always going to go one way or the other. Our style is that we probably will get penalised a lot for it throughout the season. I didn't see much holding down from Leeds. I also thought the call against Senior was spot on. You can't just run back through the line like he did, straight infront of a defender. Clearly obstruction.

Not a WUM. It was a genuine question. I didn't actually see any chicken wing from Diskin. I thought you meant the Bailey one late on.

whats thats got to do with me posting within 5 mins of the final whistle, that isnt what i was asking.. i havent questioned your opinions on the referree, or the game just your attack on my post due to the time it was posted it. so pleae enlighten me, explain what is good form, what is bad form and why i should not post on a public forum within five minutes of the final whistle !!!

He penalised us a lot in the first 20 mins or so, whilst not penalising Leeds for the exact same things. He was trying to make a point and stamp his authority on the game, but was very inconsistent in doing so.

I'd agree with that Katrina.

i do too, the well publicised wigan/melbourne/hudds defense style was going to get penalised, senior was penalised harshly because of his past despite the fact the leeds player got smashed anyway and senior didn't actually give his team an advantage. I just pray we dont have gansen next week at saints with the usual partisan saints crowd.

Agreed, but from then on was OK.

Agreed, no real complaints about Ganson - bit whistle happy against Wigan in the opening 20 while letting similar slide from Leeds. After that, pretty decent overall I thought. No real complaints. (Joel on report was a bit stupid, but I suspect that was more to diffuse the situation with Leeds perceiving something nasty had happened).

The reason he penalised you so much in the first 20 or so was because it was your guys who were holding down and messing around at the ruck. I never thought I'd see another team do it worse than Leeds, but that's what Wigan were doing! I'm glad Ganson sorted the ruck because that first half was the best first half of the season so far. It went a bit one-sided in the second, which was a shame from a neutral's POV as I was hoping for a full 80 of cracking rugby league (it's not quite happened yet this season!). Still, it was a great first half. Much of that was because Ganson did not tolerate messing about at the ruck.

anyone know what Joel was put on report for? was too far away to see, we could do with not losing him!

Yea we were worse than leeds for holding down in the first 20? Only a saints fan...

Ganson thought he'd put a knee in but when Sky played it back it didn't look much so I should think nothing will come of it.

Ganson believed (incorrectly from looking at the replay and sky commentary) that Joel had kneed Buderus in the calf muscle (he actually places his knee on the ground in between Buderus' legs)

Actually, no. I wanted you both to lose as I can't stand either of you so I had no dog in this fight. But actually you were worse than Leeds in that first 20. Once you took notice of Ganson things rapidly improved and the match was enjoyable to watch. I just wish other refs would take his lead and sort out the bollox at the ruck pdq so that other matches can get moving.