Having listened to Shaun Wane last night it was good to hear him state that EVERY player will have to prove themselves worthy of a first team place or they will be replaced by someone else more deserving of a chance.

Aye that's the way it should be.

Make or break time for Pryce, Fielden, Goulding, Phelps, Roberts, Riddell, Coley IMO.........

Phelps stands out like a sore thumb on that list, he's actually quite good and in form from what I've seen.

Too right. Clean slate, reputations out of the window. He might even look at the captain and think of giving it to someone else. (Can't see Wane wanting Sean to lose it). He should look at all and everything, from the pitch to the kit man, the whole set up from top to bottom. Thats what all the successfull coaches do regardless of what sport they are in. IMO Thats what Maguire should be doing.

But OOC after next year, and takes up a quota spot. He needs to carry on improving and show that he's worth the quota spot especially with it reducing every year. At this moment in time if Briscoe were available I, and most others would see phelps go for him to come in every time.

Phelps has been a stand out player this season and I have no doubt he will continue to improve. I do agree fielden pryce, goulding and Amos need to step up and show what they are worth.

No one should be immune from the microscope, the pack, centre, half back, full back all need to be looked at regardless of position or reputation.
Phelps has had a good season, he is good at coming through on the burst and supporting, but he isn't the best under pressure (i.e. Cas).

Not sure on that one myself.

I'd take Briscoe back in an instant. Although Phelps has adapted to the role well he is nowhere near the finished article Briscoe is. Think Phelps has just been made to look really good as we had to put up with Mathers for so long

Wasn't phelps MOM against cas? I agree nobody can be immune, I was stating the players I believe will have more to prove than anyone else.

MOM but cost us tries, he has been a revalation at FB but it just worries me if he gets targeted.

Also saved a few tries aswell... But overall I think he's pretty stedy under the high ball but that's my opinion.

I honestly wouldn't go back in for Briscoe, he wouldn't come cheap having moved from FC to KR at a time they were throwing it about.

I'd personally like to see Phelps continue with a view to bringing through Josh Vievers if he continues to develop.

Briscoe is 27 next year, and would want a decent term contract on good money even if he would come.

The last thing i'd want to see is Josh faced with the same situation Shaun was in just before he left Wigan.

I think we just need to accept the Briscoe boat sailed

On the same note, it's why I don't want to see us going for a big money 7, i'd rather persist with TL playing alongside Sam, with a view to introducing Joe Mellor.

IL seems to share the same way of thinking. He said on the radio last night about not wanting to rush into signings and ending up with a repeat of the situation Briscoe was in. He doesn't want anyone to leave bcause they can't see a way they could make it into the team.

The development of Prescott, O'Carroll, Davies may well be part of the reason we are waiting until 2011 to bring in any props so as to replace Fielden, Feka or Coley rather than forcing a young lad to leave.

I think it's absolutely the right way to develop the club. Signings should be a small number of top quality players, and should always take into consideration the development and opportunites of the players coming through the academy.

It seemed to work out well for the Storm with bringing through the likes of Slater, Inglis and Folau (and even then the cap doesn't allow them to keep everybody).

As admirable as it is to have a team full of Wiganers, I don't think that approach will lead to silverware.

Looks for a statement that says we are "Going to have a team FULL of Wiganers"... FFS.

Apologies not a team full of Wiganers, more like 90%.

But having a team with promising youth brought through and developed in the right time and the right way, combined with some top quality signings is.

It's where most of the NRL teams have moved to, and it's also what leeds have been trying to do.

Sorry, perhaps I'm just getting impatient. How long do we wait for Vievers and Mellor and the like to develop and reach their peak? 5 years? 10 years?

The other problem is we haven't had any top quality signings since Barrett. This is what we are crying out for. At the minute we have some honest good Wiganers and in the main avergae Aussies. For these Wiganers to develop they need some experienced world class winners around them otherwise they will just get into the habit of losing.

I think you're being overly pessimistic if you think Vievers, Mellor, Thornley, Farrel etc are 5 years away.

And as for top quality signings, you can't sign somebody who's not availalbe. And to be brutally honest some of the signings made by other teams (just like we've done before) from the NRL are very average.

If SL wants to improve, and if we all genuinely want a strong England team that's going to seriously compete with Australia, then i'm afraid it's the only way to do it, which is exactly what IL seems to think as well.

I honsetly don't see who we're genuinely guttingly missing out on.

The only player who has moved from one SL that I would have desperately liked is Sam Burgess, but he was only ever going to go to the NRL (and fair play to the lad).

I don't feel there's been any world beaters that we've missed out on, and especially none that I would have in place of being able to have an enormous amount of salary cap to play with in 2011.

just my $0.02

Is our team as good as Leeds? of course it's not.

Is it as bad (forget performances, i mean in raw potential) as some make out? again of course it's not.

Now is the perfect time for a new coach, new attitudes, new methods, and have a chance to take stock and build.

And yeah people might be tired of waiting, but i'd trade a 1 off CC win or a 1 off GF win, for the ability to challenge for both year in year out.

I aree but take phelps and coley off