sorry if this has already been said but on sat he had maybe his worst game in a wigan shirt

i dont remember him threatening the line except for pre-lulu try the and it was no coincidence that we leaked points when he was on the field. monaghan out of dummy half just ran at him time and time again and once again feka's fitness was found truly wanting.

its not good enough that his fitness is this poor. ive always thought him a great asset to our club and have believed that his go forward is often our platform to victory but now with the likes of mossop and flanagan showing how strong and physically fit they are i think its time to blood a young prop.

He's been an accident waiting to happen for months now and unfortunatly it happened in our biggest game of the season.

He's let the club down tbh after they stuck by him last year and thats a real shame. I think he's a fine player even at a stone overweight but he looks about 2 stones too heavy at the moment and something needs to be done.

He's wasting his fantastic talents.

If there was ever a good time for mr motivator to wipe the dust off his trainers, the time is now. Feka needs a good kick up the hoop and get into shape, at the end of the day he's a professional athlete, it's his job to stay fit.

When Coley leaves the field, our real problems begin.

Fielden and Feka were embarassed by Micheal Monagan who ran at them and created havoc in our defence.

I'm afraid it's true.

It's time we stopped kidding ourselves about Feka. And I hold my hand up as being one who's hopefully now learned the error of his ways.

I've never been totally delighted with him, but I've commented a lot that I've been reasonably happy with him this year. Well ... any good things he may have done earlier in the season were nullified by his no-show on Saturday. That was a truly pathetic performance. More than anyone else on the team, he was guilty of allowing Warrington to get too far ahead of us to catch them.

As someone else has said, now that we've got Mossop back, Feka needs to be dropped and told that he won't be picked again until he's lost at least a stone, maybe two. The conditioner in charge of him also needs a rocket up the backside.

Feka can be devastating, but only, it seems, when he's got others around him who are prepared to grind the opposition down with hard work. This is a luxury that we can't afford at present. Feka needs to start doing his share of the graft. He's a professional athlete, or supposed to be. There are many of his size who are a lot more involved in gameplay than he is.

Time to get tough with the big guy, or alternatively to start looking at the terms of his contract and investigate whether or not he's in breach of them by refusing to get fit enough to contribute.

Damn you kebab king, in good taste, silver crown, I blaim you all, why are you so tasty..

was there a bus driver in wigan, holding his jaw in bits last saturday night?

yes he was nt no good saturday but how many mins did he do 16 mins at a guess so cant blame him for every thing cause he was nt on the pitch. As for fielden how many yards does he get every game bet its not over 5 yards a drive he gets put on is @rse soon as he get s the ball. Our props are none existence an were going to struggle every game if we dont bring any new big guns in

Spot on...the bit in bold nailed the situation head on.

im certain he didn't do more than 16 mins because he was responsbile for our leak of points.

in 16 minutes id like to hazard a guess we let in 4 tries? they piggy backed up the field because feka couldnt tackle.

Not long ago on a thread that was criticising Fielden I was one of the people that defended Fielden and I pointed out on that thread that Feka was a luxury we could only afford due to the defensive presence of Fielden.

It is no coincidence that when Fielden has a poor game defensively by his standards and Feka has to work in defence that he loses his impact value due to being knackered. He is then largely a lame duck for the game due to losing his main asset.

I also posted on the 'what do we need to do to win' thread that we had to make their pack defend to tire them to reduce their impact. This is what they did to us.

Feka is an asset only in attack and cannot attack if having to use his limited stamina to defend. I am glad to see that others are now recognising him as a luxury that we cannot sadly afford. He has had time to get fitter and has not done, I doubt if he ever will. The pack as a whole is hampered by having to cover for Feka and as much as we all appreciate his barging runs I think we could do better without him and he for me is the first prop we need to offload.

Fielden is a shadow of his former self going forward due to having to defend more to cover for Feka. I think if Feka was taken out of the side and Mossop for example (who can both defend and attack in the same game) was utilised alongside Fielden we would see an upturn in the impact going forward made by Fielden as he would have less defending to do. This would help us to stop losing momentum when interchanges are made as happened on Saturday and in games before that. This is at least worth a try for the last few games particularly vs Wire on friday.

the 4 tries i saw went through roberts or am i mistaken the same tatics they used on ainscough fire balls to wing so king can out jump

can we not just stick him on the wing when defending like wire do with briers and salford do with myler?

Unless we build a good pack and have him as a true impact player in a better pack he will have to go. Him and Fielden are ruining our forwards wage bill.

Saturday wasnt his worst game in a Wigan shirt.

Saturday was that same has he has been all year.

Get rid.

Fielden made more yards per carry then Feka did against us.

Just looking at the stats in LW for the semi and Feka only made 5 carries for a total of 30 metres, made 16 tackles and missed 3. The only impact that is is the big hole it created in your team.

Fielden made 25 tackles missed none and made 45 metres in 8 carries.

That's incredibly poor for 2 such experienced campaigners.

He's not getting the blame for everything, but Wire - mainly Monaghan - blasted straight through or past him almost every time, setting up the roll that allowed them to keep scoring. This was quite clear even without the benefit of looking at replays. Why do you think Noble took him off so soon?

Bailey went down injured shortly after Feka and Fielden replaced Coley and Prescott. All of a sudden we were in effect three tacklers down in the pack, and the entire direction of the game changed.

He may only have done 15 minutes, but it was the 15 minutes that lost us the match.

I started a thread on this a few weeks back, but serious questions need to be asked about our fitness and conditioning regime - both Feka and Piggy need to be told they won't play next season until they are in better condition. If players aren't in the condition to play, they shouldn't be in the team.

Carefull what you say Rickey, you don't want to unleash a Shitnami

Mike Forshaw = sacked

Surely it's as much down to the individual players commitment and self discipline!

still allow them to play in the first team?

Surely as a conditioner if a player isn't doing the required work they should liase with the head coach and surely act accordingly?

the condition of our entire team has been questionable this season.......they just dont appear to have the strength to last the full 80 mins......feka looks shattered after 10 mins on the pitch ...i blame the conditioner ,the player and the coaching staff cos they should all work hard at ensuring ALL the players are at their peak fitness

I love the way a player has a really bad game and it suddenly makes his previous decent performances disapear on here. Feka has been our once source of go forward in our pack in many matches in the past few years, at which point people would complain about Coley or Fielden. He came on at the worst possible time for an impact player - just as the momentum had turned entirely in the opposition's favour. They ran as many players as they could at him and then used the Quick PTB to destroy him around the ruck, which tired him out due to his poor fitness. However, the other players were not at fault either, for example Gleeson, Fielden and Joel all had poor defensive games as well. However I appreciate what Feka has done for our squad, and we would be crazy to let him go, even if his is a so called "luxury".




Of course

, I forgot Roberts is supposed to mark his opposition centre as well as winger with no help from other players! Wigan offered zero shielding for Roberts, something they will probably have been blasted by Noble for, as this is second nature to all other teams. But never mind that, were was Roberts when Hicks broke through on the other side or when Cooper went between the posts, his is useless and we should get rid if he isn't tackling every player, nothing to do with dear Gleeson.

I said earlier on he played the same game on Saturday as he did the week before at Saints but unlike Saints, Warrington managed to exploit the holes he left time and again in defence.

It's cme to something when Fielden isn't our most underpreforming prop forward.