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| Obviously we need to score more points than the wire, but who needs to step up and have a big game? Who needs to lead from the front? Who needs to put in a MOTM performance for us to win? Where do we need to improve?
IMO there is an obvious choice, the wire pack is pretty amazing so all our props need to be on their game, I think now would be a great time for Fielden to have a great game.
Also, this is Sam Tomkins chance to put his foot down and claim the spot as the best young player around. I hope he takes the pressure well and has a stormer.
Finally, what should we do in terms of tactics? I don't think last time we played them, peppering their line early on really helped and with it being such a big game I would like us to settle in with a good kick and chase and take a try as a bonus rather then panic trying to score early points on their line. We need to work hard make their props work overtime to make sure they are tired come the end of the game. With us playing 5 props I think its a no brainer that we should keep all of them fresh with lots of interchange between them and use Hanson as a battering ram to give them a rest. Our backs can carry on their current form IMO and that includes Roberts.
Ideas everyone?
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| Quite simple for me on Saturday - we win the forward battle and we should win the game. We need to make sure Morley and Carvell are on the back foot. If they are we should win, but we were in the same position last Friday and still managed to lose the game. I'd start Feka and simply give him the instruction to run at Morley and Carvell every time he has the ball to knacker them out.
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| Defend like we have the last 2 games and it will take something special for us not to be at Wembley
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Quite simple for me on Saturday - we win the forward battle and we should win the game. We need to make sure Morley and Carvell are on the back foot. If they are we should win, but we were in the same position last Friday and still managed to lose the game. I'd start Feka and simply give him the instruction to run at Morley and Carvell every time he has the ball to knacker them out.'"
Not a bad idea actually.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Quite simple for me on Saturday - we win the forward battle and we should win the game. We need to make sure Morley and Carvell are on the back foot. If they are we should win, but we were in the same position last Friday and still managed to lose the game. I'd start Feka and simply give him the instruction to run at Morley and Carvell every time he has the ball to knacker them out.'"
But doesn't that take away our best impact player after 20 mins? I think both of those are less likely to tire as fast as Feka, as he really lacks stamina.
Without wanting to sound too much like Noble, if we look after the ball properly we'll have a great chance. For me, we need to be a bit more clever in their 20, and not panic thinking we need to socre on every visit. Someone needs to step up and have the experience and composure to kick cleverly, and not try and force the pass too much. If we deal with the territory aspect better than we did at the HJ it'll be a huge lift.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"But doesn't that take away our best impact player after 20 mins? I think both of those are less likely to tire as fast as Feka, as he really lacks stamina. '"
I agree about losing his impact but I feel Morley and Carvell have the ability to win them the game and we need neutralise them. The only prop who I believe we have to match them physically is Feka. Coley and Prescott should be able to dominate their other props.
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| we need to be sure that we win the arm wrestle, not get out-enthused and most importantly .. we need to make sure that humpty dumpty doesn't need rebuilding for the league game
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| I think patience is the key. In the last few seasons we have tended to get panicky in games when we were in a close game or trailing by a few points. This then leads to us forcing passes etc rather than exerting pressure close to the opposition line and more often than not blowing our opportunities to score or gain repeat sets.
Warrington's pack will tire more quickly if we can keep calm and apply pressure and make them defend. In recent games we have been doing this to opponents so hopefully we can on Saturday.
Our level of patience often determines whether we win or lose the tight games (as this one is likely to be) and so I think that this will be the key to success/failure for us.
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| No, I think we need to lose, because according to the Warrington fans, who evidently take exception to NOT being insulted, it will be amazing for the sport and it will create a buzz in, erm, Warrington.
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| Play the way we have this fast few week we win..simple as that
Warrington dont scare me, if both sides play to there potentional we win
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| More of the same what the team have served up in the past few weeks,
We know we are better than Dire, and they know it also they have made so much about this semi final deep down they know it is there final
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Play the way we have this fast few week we win..simple as that
Warrington dont scare me, if both sides play to there potentional we win'"
I am not certain of that, our pack playing at their best is not as good as warringtons.
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| for me it will come down to experience and nerves , not many of your players as been in a semi final before ,, the likes of mossop tomkins brothers flanagan havent been in a semi or a final so they will be under pressure , but players like morley carvell briers clarke westwood have if u compare both teams u would find that wire has more experience of being in a big game
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| Quote ="howley-wire"for me it will come down to experience and nerves , not many of your players as been in a semi final before ,, the likes of mossop tomkins brothers flanagan havent been in a semi or a final so they will be under pressure , but players like morley carvell briers clarke westwood have if u compare both teams u would find that wire has more experience of being in a big game'"
not too sure really, been to the semi of the cup a couple of years ago, got to the final eliminator last 2 years running. Fieldens been there done it, Gleeson's been there with saints, quite a few others have been in pressure games with wigan or otherwise and quite a few played in the world cup as well.
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| If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.'"
On our day we can beat nearly everyone in the league, you included. Same goes for you, if Morley and Carvell completely overpower our front row we'll seriously struggle. However if we can at least compete with you in the forwards then I think our backline has the ability to take yours apart.
Gonna be a great game though i reckon.
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| Quote ="howley-wire"for me it will come down to experience and nerves , not many of your players as been in a semi final before ,, the likes of mossop tomkins brothers flanagan havent been in a semi or a final so they will be under pressure , but players like morley carvell briers clarke westwood have if u compare both teams u would find that wire has more experience of being in a big game'"
Leuluai- world cup final
Fielden- Many semi finals and finals and world club challenge, are there any wire players currently who have played in as many as him?
Richards- NRL grand final
Bailey- SOO
Lockers- Our captain and has played in a semi before
Gleeson- Played in many big games
Hanson, McIlorum, Richards, Goulding all played in the 2007 semi.
Also many of our players played in last years world cup or have represented their country at some point.
Not to mention for the last 2 years Wigan have been just one step away from old trafford and most of our players on saturday will of played in the play-offs in high pressure games at Leeds.
We are far more experienced than wire in this area.
I cannot believe you actually said that.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.'"
Like you did at Leeds? What was the score when we played em the week before. You are right - we have absolutely no chance unless you gift us points. And some of your fans call us deluded.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"icon_lol.gif
Leuluai- world cup final
Fielden- Many semi finals and finals and world club challenge, are there any wire players currently who have played in as many as him?
Richards- NRL grand final
Bailey- SOO
Lockers- Our captain and has played in a semi before
Gleeson- Played in many big games
Hanson, McIlorum, Richards, Goulding all played in the 2007 semi.
Also many of our players played in last years world cup or have represented their country at some point.
Not to mention for the last 2 years Wigan have been just one step away from old trafford and most of our players on saturday will of played in the play-offs in high pressure games at Leeds.
We are far more experienced than wire in this area.
I cannot believe you actually said that.'"
I think what he was trying to say is that you have more young players in your squad you wouldn't have felt the pressure of a semi final
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| As most have called it, our weakness and wire strength, is their front row.
So it's going to need rather a lot of tough tackling.
I was very surprised to hear that IL won't be signing any new players for next season. A bad mistake for me, as we are weak in one or two key areas, especially front row.
Oh for a Brian McTigue !
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"I think what he was trying to say is that you have more young players in your squad you wouldn't have felt the pressure of a semi final'"
if Bailey and Lockers come back as expected then there will only be Mossop and Tomkins who haven't played in a final eliminator or semi i believe.
Sam's not one for lacking in confidence or nerves and i think Mossop will be part of a reasonably experienced pack with Lockers and Bailey around him.
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| Quote ="Who are ya!!"I think what he was trying to say is that you have more young players in your squad you wouldn't have felt the pressure of a semi final'"
I tell you now Sam and Joel will not feel any pressure for this game, Sam certainly won't anyway.
He did actually say though that not many of our players have been in a semi final before and indicated that wire had more experience and my argument is the just don't. Alot of wire players have not played in big games. Matty Blythe, Chris Bridge, Mike Cooper, Ben Harrison, Lee Mitchell, Chris Riley, and Ben Westwood all have big experience of big games do they? I would even say some of your more experienced guys like Briers and Carvell still do not have as much experience as some of our players.
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| Quote ="TF and the wire"If we can avoid doing our usual self destruct trick and gifting you points, I can't see you beating us.'"
If we dont gift you field position i cant see you beating us. mistakes and stupid pens is the only reason i can see for you beating us.
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| Quote ="inside_man"if Bailey and Lockers come back as expected then there will only be Mossop and Tomkins who haven't played in a final eliminator or semi i believe.
Sam's not one for lacking in confidence or nerves and i think Mossop will be part of a reasonably experienced pack with Lockers and Bailey around him.'" Yeah,the nerves wont get to Mossop, all he wants/has to do is tackle anything that moves and run the ball in as fast as he can he'll go great
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