lets bring back passion to the club and build for the future.get rid of the aussies and bring back some of the boys who have passion and flare for the club. own grown players who the club brought throw as youngsters and are now playing well at other clubs because the club wanted big names instead of passion. Players like briscoe, allen,ballard brothers,coyles,colbornect ect..... All those players when played in the acadamy should have made wigan greats but was not given there chance.I am sure wigan fans would sooner watch a team of own grown players playing with passion than an over payed team of so called aussie and yorkshire superstars.

Yeah - Let's start by sacking Pat Richards and George Carmont today.

Both Aussie, so must be both overpaid and rubbish.

And as to Allan, Coyle and Colbon - Remind me which SuperLeague club they are "starring" for now ???

Oh, that's right. They're not good enough to be at the heart of any other SL club, so why should WE be made to accept them, just because they happened to grow up in the area ???

Get a grip ffs.

Colbon is at Hull K.R i think but he was never going to be a superstar was he

The clubs been on a downward spiral for quite some time!, In my opinion Wigan has lost the Wigan heart and soul (home grown players),

We have alot of aussies etc within the side, which on paper are very talented, however they have failed to play to their maximum.

It's not much fun being a Wigan fan these days, theirs so much inconsistency within the team, and the worrying thing is they have never been able to sort that problem out!

Nobby is trying but it isn't working, he keeps saying the right things, and i think he genuinly beleives in what hes saying, but us as supporters (the paying public) aren't seeing much change.

The way the team played against Saint's last Thursday was the best i have seen them for ages!, however they had a spell in the match where they lost the composure and had spells in the match where they failed to convert their opportunities and thats what cost them on that day.

Catalans away in my opinion came too soon for them, they were shot, completely dead on their feet!. They started well and then just ran out of gas!. The Dragons picked us apart, and got through at will and in the end deserved to win!.


So what happens next?

On the face of it things don't look great for the rest of the season, we have lost a large % of our matches already, and it's essential that for things to get better, the team must find their composure and i think the chairman needs to do something, Noble is a good coach with what he did at Bradford. However he at the moment has failed to succeed with the challenge of Wigan. Maybe it is time to make a change? and bring someone else in, preferably a Wiganer, I think right now that is what the team need!

Ever heard of Bell and Hanley? I could go on rattling the names off but Wigan have had plenty of overseas and non Wigan born or produced players over the years in the successful sides.

They were part of sides that had passion and a will to win.

It isn't where you are from that counts it is having the right attitude and players like these had it in spades.

Whether some of our current overseas players are out of the same mould is perhaps debatable but that does not mean the solution is employing the likes of those ex-Wigan players you list.

We haven't missed one bar Briscoe and as every man and his dog knows he was behind Radlinski so had little option but to leave if he wanted first team footy.

Dave

Again with the "Wiganer" bit.

Which GOOD Wigan-born coaches have we had recently ???

And were the following Wigan-born? :

John Monie
Graeme Lowe
Frank Endacott
Stuart Raper

Admittedly, our best coach (imo) of recent times was born in Wigan, and that was Mike Gregory.

However, having a Wigan-born coach matters not one jot to me, as long as we get in a motivator, who will take no cráp from the players

Briscoe fair enough, but we couldn't keep him and Radlinski. Ashton would be more to the point but we couldn't compete with union for him. Allen had his chance and wasn't good enough, same with the Coyles. Colbon was alright but only as cover. I've never seen the Ballards play but they don't seem to be cracking any pots elsewhere. Having a big academy means letting a lot of young players go, that doesn't make us a bad club it's just neccessary.

Watching the players behind the sticks in catalan on monday i would say there isnt much passion there we dont have a loud captain that shouts at the players when a try as been scored at least for the 2 past years we had trent who looked to be a decent talker.

graeme west only lost 1 game and got the boot

If I thought for one minute that Brian Noble had the squad he wanted I'd say get him out.
This is not a Brian Noble squad.
They are most certainly not a Noble pack, nor do we have Noble style halves.
Before we condemn the man give him the players he needs and probably wants. Only one forward signed since IL bought the club, Riddell.
Props have been our priority for years and we don't look any nearer signing one now than at anytime in the last 16 months.

And when Endacott "went", we were second in the table.....

Which brings us full circle to the fact Noble can't coach this team. It may well not be a Noble type squad but even if IL signed them all Noble should be getting better out of it.

Dave

I'm not convinced by that argument - how long has Noble been here - he has certainly been here long enough to have been around whilst most of the signings have been made. How many of the current squad were here when Noble arrived - very few therefore it musty to a degree be his squad - unless the rumours are true and Noble has so little involvment in recruitment that IL picks the squad (although personally if this were true I would have expected Noble to have resigned due to it).

Also Anderson then Potter at Saints have hardly changed the squads big time, McLennan at Leeds the same.

Which means we either provide him with a half back and some props, or we appoint a new coach. i sitll dont see us winning anything with a different coach and this team.



Agreed.

Dear God Ted. Fielden? Hock? Lockers? He's been here 3 years. If you had your way he would be here 20 and you would still be making excuses for him. He cannot coach. He cannot build teams. Deacon, Smith, Elliott, Jennings made Bradford.

This squad is ABSOLUTELY a "Brian Noble" squad.

It may not be made up of the same type of players that he had at Bradford, but he has overseen the signing/re-signing of pretty much EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the squad.

If he didn't want them, he should have said that and then not extended/renewed their contract.

He has had the choice of every man on that team, and has chosen them as his players.

I agree with sundayroast - I am also (sadly) of the opinion that Brian Noble has run out of ideas.

As with every game that we play, he has tried "Plan A" and when that has been found out/failed he reverts to....... "Plan A"

No Bull - Taxi's waiting.

from the man himself he doesn't have final say in signings at this club and it annoys me when IL comes across all egalitarian at the fans forums. as far as transfer goes i dont think its changed since Mo.

Personally, I don't care.

Noble is paid to coach the team

Wherever the players come from is of no concern to me.

He simply needs to get the best out of the players we have, every week.

If he was even remotely capable of doing that, we'd be in the top 3 or 4, rather than the bottom 3 or 4.

But the players we have are under achieving.

Our squad, on paper, is a mixture various international players, ex- top NRL stars and some of the countries best young players.

At the end of the day, Ian Lenegan is supplying the tools but they aren't being used correctly.

dont disagree alex

just lets not pretend nobby is the final word at wigan.

And nobody would argue Noble is underachieving, but IL should not be providing the tools, just ensuring they are resonably priced.

You missed John Dorahy off that list

What 'ex-top NRL stars' are these then?

Richards at a push.

Amos Roberts - Top try scorer one season. Averaged over 50% try scoring ratio.
Tim Smith - Dally M Rookie, 40 assists in 1 season, touted as the next Johns.
Phil Bailey - Ex-SOO and Australia player.