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| Personally, I'd like to see this happen with the next few weeks.
Lee Mossop deserves a call up and is playing very well in the reserves. He is strong, versatile and even played prop at the weekend.
Hansen is a good defender and good runner close to the line but seems to be too settled & is plodding on, content with just a good defensive display. IMO he's lost alot of enthusiasm and doesn't seem to be playing for his place. I'd like to see him being taken out of his comfort zone and an opportunity to given to a young player who's debut is way over due.
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| Thank god someone else is seeing this.
Mossop/Farrell or Flanny to get a call up. If they play out of their skins we'll be calling them first teamers before we know it. Similar situation to what's happened with Tomkins (both) and Ainscough.
Time to keep pushing for the best team possible from our squad.
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| I'd like to see one or two kids get a chance on the bench on Sunday without us taking Barrow too lightly. Mossop certainly.
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| i'd rather drop coley.
he doesn't bring anything, let alone defensive qualities!
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| Quote ="roverspie"i'd rather drop coley.
he doesn't bring anything, let alone defensive qualities!'"
I thought he was okay on Friday. Guess okay isn't good enough.
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| I rate Hansen tbh and i also rate Joel Tomkins but neither have been at the top of their games this year so far and both are at risk of being rested/dropped at the weekend.
If that keeps them on their toes and makes them work that bit harder then theres no harm in it imo.
Mossop and Farrell really do look handy players when i've seen them and both must be given a shot sooner or later.
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| Quote ="roverspie"i'd rather drop coley.
he doesn't bring anything, let alone defensive qualities!'"
I know Coley is a scape goat, but this is very harsh. He set up two of Wigans tries against Salford and Baileys try on Friday from his off loads.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I rate Hansen tbh and i also rate Joel Tomkins but neither have been at the top of their games this year so far and both are at risk of being rested/dropped at the weekend.
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Well Hansen's and Tomkins' 2009 defensive stats are near enough on par and Joel is obviously the better attacking player of the two, that's why I'd opt to drop Hansen. Tomkins is more of a complete player and is much more versatile to play at SR or Lock.
I just think Hansen needs to be taken out of his comfort zone and realise the quality that can/might replace him. It will bring out the best in him as well as giving a deserved opportunity who I repeat, deserves an over due debut.
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| Sooner stick Mossop/Flanny/Farrell in the second row, Mossop-not at prop just yet.
Unfair on Joel, he's a quality loose playing SR, it's high time Lockers was moved to SR and Joel to 13 for the good of the team. Joel was much better at 13 last season when Lockers was out.
Even though he's our capt, if Lockers were injured I wouldn't be too considered, we could play Joel at 13 with a few to pick from for the SR slots.
Hate to say it, but I'd sooner see Lockers out than-
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| Long term I would love to see Mossop at prop but yeh hopefully he will play at Barrow instead of Hanson IMO it would be the best time to do this, but Hanson should play against saints.
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| i just haven't seen enough out of coley for me to rate him.
if he wasn't in the team or injured would we notice much?
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| Hansen can tackle. doesn't offer much else. give the others a shot.
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| may i add i agree to give others a chance, especially this weekend. Just make sure that we are respectful and get the job done at the same time.
with everyone drawing each other in the cup, this is our best chance for years of possibly winning it or at least getting to the final. Very similar to portsmouth winning the FA cup last year.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Hansen can tackle. doesn't offer much else. give the others a shot.'"
Hanson is a quality player he does more than just tackle.
He runs some great lines and has no fear, he always puts the effort in, he is one of my favourite players as a fan.
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| Give Mossop a game against Barrow and rest Hock and Joel for Saints and Catalans and if Mossop impresses against Barrow and continues well in the reserves give him a go against Celtic who we have at home after Catalans
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| Hansen may run strong lines but what is his tackle bust rate? offload rate? Has he ever drawn in a man then pasted the ball along? Ever looked like doing something in attack without someone else putting him through the gap? Far and few between.
He may try hard, but he simply isn't good enough, a quiet lad who tries hard, sorry but this isn't enough. Raise the bar at Wigan, he's not good enough.
I respect people's opinions and I know he's liked by some, but for me he's not good enough.
After Ferrell/Mossop/Flanny has a good game and plays better you'll agree.
For me Hansen (his type of player) is one of the issues with Wigan. Someone who is a 'try hard' but not good enough. Lets build a team of winners.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Hansen may run strong lines but what is his tackle bust rate? offload rate? Has he ever drawn in a man then pasted the ball along? Ever looked like doing something in attack without someone else putting him through the gap? Far and few between.
He may try hard, but he simply isn't good enough, a quiet lad who tries hard, sorry but this isn't enough. Raise the bar at Wigan, he's not good enough.
I respect people's opinions and I know he's liked by some, but for me he's not good enough.
After Ferrell/Mossop/Flanny has a good game and plays better you'll agree.
For me Hansen (his type of player) is one of the issues with Wigan. Someone who is a 'try hard' but not good enough. Lets build a team of winners.'"
I agree with you. Might sound harsh as he's clearly a hard worker but people need to keep asking the question - does this player belong in a potential title winning team? I don't know if Hansen does.
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| Exactly Mad dog.
Let's build a winning team. Not a team of 'try hards', worse thing is he's keeping out talent that deserves a place.
Build a team of winners
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Give Roberts/Pryce/O Carroll time, but so far I don't see a winner.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Exactly Mad dog.
Let's build a winning team. Not a team of 'try hards', worse thing is he's keeping out talent that deserves a place.
Build a team of winners
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Richards Gleeson Carmont Ainscough
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NEW 8 Tommy NEW 10
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Give Roberts/Pryce/O Carroll time, but so far I don't see a winner.'"
You can add a new coach to that list if we wana win anything
I can't see a title challenging team being formed for at least 2 seasons yet though
If we got it right for next season we could do but I can't see it happening
However this gives the youngsters a chance to stake their claim before players are brought in which is a good thing
Whether we like it or not patience is going to be needed
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| Has anyone ever heard the saying "Defense wins games"? Hansen is currently in joint second place for try scoring 2nd rows (Joint 3rd in the team) and offers a huge defensive input to the team. Yet he offers nothing in attack and just because he is defensively brilliant and not doing spectacular things in attack he should be dropped?
I'm glad there's a lot of posters on this site not running the team.
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| I don't want to sound as though I'm bagging Hansen but I really do see it as an attitude thing. In my opinion, I don't think he is fully applying himself nor do I think he currently has the ambition to stand out from the rest and have something unique about him.
And the reasons for the above, again in my opinion, is because since the arrival of Feka and Leuluai he seems to be close friends and enjoy the company of a couple of fellow kiwis/islanders and is content to hold on to a first team place rather than standing out, being different and have that bit of unique style about him. At the end of the day, he was raised in Swinton and played for Folly Lane from being 8 or 9 maybe younger and he came through all the ranks at Wigan, yet since the arrival of fellow, young islanders and the inclusion of the Samoa squad he seems to have distanced himself from his roots & many team mates and you sometimes forget that he came through those ranks with Wigan.
I think he's got caught up with the Islander Rugby League lifestyle and enjoys that more than his Rugby League. A drop down into the reserves away from his ''homies'' and replace them with the type of lads he actually grew up playing along side will do him a world of good and could get rid of abit of arrogance and instead replace it with more ambition and determination.
A pretty controversial and personal post but it's my opinion.
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| Quote ="newton warrior"I know Coley is a scape goat, but this is very harsh. He set up two of Wigans tries against Salford and Baileys try on Friday from his off loads.'"
Don't be daft. A few good things doesn't make him immune from more than deserved criticism.
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| Mossop debuted in one of the Cup thrashings last year, scored a try too I think. Has he played a league game yet?
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| Quote ="Alex BP'"
A pretty controversial and personal post but it's my opinion.'"
You are not wrong there, I could even argue it's racist with those Islanders and their island ways.
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| Quote ="alanpdodd"You are not wrong there, I could even argue it's racist with those Islanders and their island ways.'"
Dont we live on an island ???
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