Now i have to say that i was not at the game tonight but my feelings about Wigan are at there lowest ebb in my time of following the club. The lethargy on the pitch has transmitted to me as a fan and to be perfectly honest my passion for the club is at its lowest point ever. I no longer look forward to the games and in addition to this I am no longer bothered about watching them, if there is another game which may provide more entertainment for my £.

I have always said i an a rubgy league fan prior to being a Wigan fan, and at the moment i see nothing of the qualites in the club that i grew to love the club for.

I am also no longer disappointed by a loss.

Am I alone in feeling like this? Not living in Wigan and having been attempted from one side of the family to follow another club rather than following Wigan being a birth right i wonder if i am alone with this feeling.

I do know i have seen the other club that was forced on me (Wakefield) play far worse rugby than i have ever seen Wigan play, but i still always looked forward to watching them, i hand on heart cannot say the same about Wigan anymore.

There is something wrong at our great club I must admit and it’s a very, very unnerving feeling. I have to admit my passion peaks before the game but I’m getting sick of being let down week after week and it can’t get any lower than it is now.

I really wish we could start a fresh with a new stadium and new beginnings but it’s not going to happen sadly. The JJB just isn’t working out we have admit that don’t we? We’ve hardly had any success in our time there apart from the occasional wins and it’s yet to have a SL trophy paraded round it by us and it just doesn’t sit right for me.

It made it worse going to the Bel Air after the game and seeing all the pictures of the great and successful Wigan teams on the walls as well as our eternal home in Central Park 2.

Wigan are a club with no direction from top to bottom..A Joke TBH..Lenegan has talked the talk but hasnt walked the walk, he has been my most dissapointing aspect thb.

I started feeling like this after the challenge cup semi final defeat , and its got worse week after week. I have apathy for nearly everything to do with the club , even the fans (the blind faith lets get behind the team number 18 wearing ones) get on me t!ts

Yours is a personal view Jonh and each has his/her own including me.
Perhaps have a look again at the things you loved about Wigan, why they are not there for you now and then what you feel must be done by the club to regain those qualities.
Maybe put your views to Ian Lenagan or Mick Hogan.

My own views are as a Wigan and a Rugby League fan and the excellence there has been over the decades, the disaster of relegation then the resurgence of Wigan and the halcyon days which will never be repeated.
These ups, downs and even greater days are now gone and replaced by mediocrity.
At the start of the 2008 season and the RFL's launch. It was triumphed that the RFL & SL would continue the very successfull policy of levelling.
By the end of the 2008 and England's humiliating exit from the World Cup we saw just what level British Rugby League has sunk to. This the RFL says is success. That's what levelling has done to our game and as a Wigan supporter my real concern is that Ian Lenagan has bought into this.
Whilst IL is prepared to accept levelling and the rubbish put out by the RFL & SL his club, Wigan, is in serious trouble. I really do wonder where Wigan and British Rugby League is going.
However, I am a season ticket holder and was there tonight.
We were not good enough to beat a team of less than average players.
I will be going to the four nations in autumn and was considering the trip in 2010 for the comp down under. The 2010 trip is now being reconsidered.

Jonh you asked for a view, that's mine.

We needed relegation, we had a chance at a new start but Mo & DW bolloxed it up by bringing in Dobbo, Nobby & Fielden, the rot has just gotten worse since then. Out of the ashes a new dominance might have been forged.

It's a very good point for debate.

I'm really worried about Wigan at the moment. We lost (and didn't replace) our star player last year. Who do the young Wigan fans look up to now, apart from maybe Feka?

Our crowds are slowly falling. I remember crowds of 7-8k against Hudds at the JJB so it's not quite panic stations yet. It's not good seeing the crowds that we've steadily built start to drop off

I totally agree, we'd have been back in Super League now anyway with less aussies and our young lads would have had more experience at a higher level. I'd rather watch a passionate Wigan in NL1 than what we have now tbh.

Given the majority of our current side have contracts agreed under Noble and/or IL what you say is irrelevant.

There are only four players who were signed pre-Noble in the current squad. Bailey, Fielden (but he came with him so doesn't really count), TL and Feka.

So unless you think getting relegated and thus having to release those four players would have solved all our problems you are barking up the wrong tree.

The current state of the Wigan team is far more influenced by who has been recruited or re-signed under Noble and IL. If they have made mistakes then they would most likely have made them when we came up from NL1.

As to the idea it would have got rid of the Aussies mentioned by someone else I reckon it would have done the exact opposite. The club would be forced to look overseas to get enough players of reasonable quality to compete as the few good players we do have would have gone and there is a lack of good British players available.

Dave

I don't think its the players we have which is the main problem, we have some decent players who can all perform on their day we should be at least on a par with Wakefield, Hudds etc but we're not. Its the attitude, problems in the backroom thats the issues. We need to get the players we have to play to the best of their abilities, in most jobs if you don't put the effort in you get sacked. Apart from a few exceptions Noble has taught the squad that they'll get picked regardless of effort and results get him out now I say and worry about who to replace him with afterwards.

The players just seem to be 'plodding on' with the game rather than pulling their fingers out and really trying. Individuals do try but not collectively eg Hock, Leuluai.

We need to start playing as a team, passionately and consistantly.

I didn't mind losing last night - we were boring, mediocre, clueless in attack and the worst "team" I have seen of the teams in Super League so far - and I mean that in terms of playing with and for each other and not just being 13 individuals. I do not want that rewarded with two points.

Wigan RL has lost its sparkle. I just turn up and don't get passionate anymore. I don't know whether its the players, the coach, the chairman but our great club has changed.

I feel like a robot in my rugby routine. I do feel lethargic Jonh. I don't want to settle for mediocrity - but at the moment my team are providing me with no other choice.

i actualy predicted a loss by between 12 and 18 points yesterday. i did not bother going to the game . had better things to do with my money. lethargy has certainly set in as i have decided not to bother wasting my money to watch that shower. we are a poor team at the moment playing poor rugby and i for one am not pouring my hard earned cash down the drain the be disapointed week in week out. I got the result off a taxi driver on the way home and i actualy think i would have been more shocked had we won. seems to me the club and the team dont give a hoot so why should i.

The CC has started to bite.

"Everyone is equal"

No there are not. Every sport needs it's big clubs, it's household names.

RL has deliberately crippled itself.


Today it's Wigan who are suffering. Tommorrow maybe Leeds?


They have dragged down the best and the ambitious to the level of the weakest and narrow minded.


This actually suits IL imo as from what I have seen/heard what he wants is a club that he can run "on the cheap".

Quite appropriate that "cheap" is a very good term to describe British RL atm.

I agree totaly with what your saying about not be disappointed anymore, i really just go to games, because i have a season ticket.

Every team i have seen this year (not seen hull or salford) live, have improved from last year, every team that is bar 1!!!

I am not a sack the coach type, but last night hudds did nothing more than 5 drives and a kick, play hard, and lie on in the tackle!

Which begs the question, exactly what are we doing in training in the week? Loosing to Leeds, was fair enough as they were outstanding!

Perhaps it is time to change something, as we clearly are going backwards each year, its not the start of the season anymore, we are 8 games in and we are shocking. A third tier team at best! And it doesnt even break my heart anymore!

Totally agree, you could see this fiasco coming, I personally have never missed a game for some years now but this season I didnt renew my family season ticket and the only game I have been to is the friendly with Leigh and that was enough for me

Sorry to say but times are hard and when you are willing to fork out hard earned money you kind of want some value and entertainment back in return

Cas , Hudds , Wakey fortress JJB my

What a pathetic "we all feel sorry for ourselves topic". Get up and smell the bacon, this week should surely have made you all sit up and realise there are far more important things in life than winning every game of Rugby League. You all need to go on the Wakey forum and realise what unity and togetherness is all about, you could all learn a few things about life on there.

very good thread and some interesting and sensible posts.i have watched wigan over 50 yrs,seen the good days,had the bad days,enjoyed our halcion days,but alas IL,BN,and this present side leave a lot to be desired.i used to be very passionate before a match,but now i am just going through habit which is in itself sad.i sit there watch the game come home and am not bothered wether we have won or lost.who is to blame.IL for trying to do it on the cheap,bn he is in his 3rd season and we are no better than when he arrived,some of the players but then they are only playing to the coaches orders.IL wil not pay big wages and tbqh we must be well under the salary cap with the players we have lost over the last couple of years.how long is it since we have been a decent consistant side,and even with some youngsters comming through i dont see any light at the end of the tunnel.funny how times change,i remember frank endacott being sacked early in the season when wigan were riding high in the league.love lindsay or hate him if he was in charge were would noble be now.

Raceman this isnt about feeling sorry for ourselves and winning every game of rugby league ( although winning one convincingly would be nice ) its about peoples expectations of Wigan Rugby League and value for our hard earned cash !! Derby day for example

Wigan v Saints Family ticket east stand red = £52
Kids to McDonalds for tea = £20
Couple of pints at the game = £6
Total = £78

or

Sky tv and a pack of John Smiths = £ 10

I wouldnt hesitate at paying £78 like I have in the past but is it really worth it in this current climate and for what is being produced on the pitch that is what we are discussing value for money

Neither do you HAVE to buy ale or McDonalds though do you

You can't have been at the game then.

Why don't some of you guys grow up and admit:

1. The levelling is not down but up.

2. Success goes round in cycles - we have one of the greatest success records in the history of the game, yet you decry us, so is it any wonder people knock you?

3. Your halycon days were a direct result of Auntie Mo's money. Nothing more nothing less. You could aford the players which other clubs couldn't.

4. When you lose to a better side admit it rather than spouting the nonsense we are reading on most of this forum at the moment. We did not lie on any longer than you. That seems to be the way of things this season. Did you watch the Leeds/Saints game? Were we ever offside - yes, at least 50 % of the time. Were you ever offside? Yes, at least 50% of the time. Were we penalised? Yes. Were you penalised? No.

5. It's at times like this that supporters should get behind their team and club. The majority don't - I know, I was part of our lowest ever crowd of 400+ some 20 years ago.

By the way, the side which beat you last night had 5 players you considered weren't good enough; only 3 overseas players; and worked as a team.

Oh, and I do know how people think that coaches make a difference - good or bad. 12 months ago we had Jon Sharp - nuff said.

Make the kids some butties and spend the £20 quid on beer.
The results won't seem as bad then

top post that fella...

I think you'll find if you play like that against any half decent SL team you will be beaten easily.

NB. Obviously half decent does'nt include us