Can anybody see this inconsistency ever ending?

Something needs to be re-shuffled and something has to be done to place a bit of solidarity at the club.

There is something wrong, clearly. We've gone through years of inconstency, uncertainty and no confidence yet have been saved with a decent end of season and playoff run.

Sorry, but ''the business end of the season'' crap doesn't warrant three out of four losses at home, it doesn't warrant Jeckyl and performances nor does it help the cause of actually get in the playoffs to even be involved with ''the business end of the season''.

This thread isn't panicking it isn't whinging and it isn't over reaction...I've been through all those emotions over the last few years. Unfortunately it's what I am now used to. Also, I think this is more than just a ''coaching issue''. We have a world class coach and world class players as well as the countries finest youngsters...Why can't we find a formula to make them consistently work?

Our attendances are reflecting the performances on the pitch and when you consider Mr. Lenagan's aim of averaging 20,000 within the next 2 years...Well, it just goes to show how things aren't going to plan from his perspective.

Quote ="Alex BP'"Can anybody see this inconsistancy ever ending? Something needs to be re-shuffled and something has to be done to place abit of solidarity at the club. There is something wrong, clearly. We've gone through years of inconstancy, uncertainty and no confidence yet have been saved with a decent end of season and playoff run. Sorry, but ''the business end of the season'' crap doesn't warrent three out of four losses at home, it doesn't warrent Jeckyl and performances nor does it help of cause of actually get in the playoffs to even be involved with ''the business end of the season''. This thread isn't panicking it isn't whinging and it isn't over reaction...I've been through all those emotions over the last few years. Unfortunately it's what I am now used to. Also, I think this is more than just a ''coaching issue''. We have a world class coach and world class players as well as the countries finest youngsters...Why can't we find a formula to make them consistantly work. Our attendances are reflecting the performances on the pitch and when you consider Mr. Lenegan's aim of averaging 20,000 within the next 2 years...Well, it just goes to show how things aren't going to plan from his perspective.'" Maybe he will need to continue to bus down more coachloads of Cumbrians on freebies to achieve it. www.wiganwarriors.com/news_full.asp?newsid=4630 Quote The game is attracting fans from far and wide, including twelve coach loads of Rugby League fans from Cumbria with the amateur clubs of Kells, Ulverston and Hensingham, amongst others, heading to the JJB Stadium for the big match. '"

Quote ="Alex BP'"Can anybody see this inconsistancy ever ending? Something needs to be re-shuffled and something has to be done to place abit of solidarity at the club. There is something wrong, clearly. We've gone through years of inconstancy, uncertainty and no confidence yet have been saved with a decent end of season and playoff run. Sorry, but ''the business end of the season'' crap doesn't warrent three out of four losses at home, it doesn't warrent Jeckyl and performances nor does it help of cause of actually get in the playoffs to even be involved with ''the business end of the season''. This thread isn't panicking it isn't whinging and it isn't over reaction...I've been through all those emotions over the last few years. Unfortunately it's what I am now used to. Also, I think this is more than just a ''coaching issue''. We have a world class coach and world class players as well as the countries finest youngsters...Why can't we find a formula to make them consistantly work. Our attendances are reflecting the performances on the pitch and when you consider Mr. Lenegan's aim of averaging 20,000 within the next 2 years...Well, it just goes to show how things aren't going to plan from his perspective.'" Maybe he will need to continue to bus down more coachloads of Cumbrians on freebies to achieve it. www.wiganwarriors.com/news_full.asp?newsid=4630 Quote The game is attracting fans from far and wide, including twelve coach loads of Rugby League fans from Cumbria with the amateur clubs of Kells, Ulverston and Hensingham, amongst others, heading to the JJB Stadium for the big match. '"

Clearly we do not.

Who are these "world class players"?????

And Coach!!

The sad thing is we are now a very average team in Super League terms.

Results like tonight's match show how poor Salford and Bradford must have been to let us beat them so convincingly.

As I gaze into my crystal ball I see a convincing win against Barrow to come closely followed by yet another stuffing against Stains the following Thursday.

Joy

O'Loughlin, Hock, Riddell, Roberts, Fielden, Smith, Bailey have all earned world recognized awards/call ups but aren't producing the same form currently at Wigan.

Either way, those mentioned aren't bottom 7 standard players are they?

What club are you watching


We need a good clearout of the crap and stop signing the standard of player of Bailey, Piggy, Tim Smith, Roberts etc

Lenegan seems as cluesless as Noble, the crowds are going Lenegan..Crap Rugby, Crap Coach, Crap Future.....Sort it...

Did you think they would have been bad signings BEFORE we sign them?

Just like our coach all have major flaws in there game, the issue is that even though all players have weaknesses we play to a style that exposes them.

Lenegan is worse than clueless


He isn't a patch on Mo imo, both in RL knowledge and application.

Serious question Brett not trying to draw a row, what are your thoughts on Noble are they still unphased, you seem to continually point the finger everywhere apart from at him.

While I accept your stance with the chairman for me the way to solve this would be by sacking the coach.

Yes
Second choice hooker playing second row in the NRL
An alchoholic idiot who has more problems that can be listed
A player recovering from major need surgery (Mathers)
Roberts has always been a suspect defender in a very strong Sydney Roosters team who was allowed toleave to free up room on the salary cap.

So yes i would not have signed anyone of them

Not being funny but can you really comment after not being at the game?

Can you evaluate the performance?

Can you draw your own conclusions about the performance?


I am conscious that I don't want to bore people into a BK vs JH thread, but the point is worthwhile imo.

How dare you say that .

Mr Lenaghan posts on here and tells us how wonderful things are at Fans Forums so he is great.

Unfortunately, the club appears to be owned by a PR merchant who thinks that because he does the above, has a pint with the fans in Cardiff/Perpignan that all misgivings will be forgotten.

Rather than giving jobs for the boys to Lyon, Pendlebury, Forshaw and Vievers we should have ripped the coaching structure apart and brought in quality staff based on their ability and not where they come from/who they are friendly with.

Uncanny. Our posts were at the same time




I am still backing Noble. I can see how the criticism can be put to him, of course I can. I do, however, think that he will come good over the course of the season.


A few things don't add up for me though.

Namely, I can't believe that Noble would enter a SL season with an underpar pack. Which, on the face of it, we have.

So I have to ask myself, who has "meddled" in this.

Surely the only person could have been IL.


If Nobby has gone into SL with this pack, then I will hold my hands up and say "It's all Nobby's fault".

On the performance tonight no, tonight i was paying my respect to a friend, but it is clear on the reports we were poor, and i do not need to see the game tonight to see the same criticism of the team that have been around for the last 2 years in games i have seen.

Unfortunately our two worst players tonight were our two youngsters.

Both Sam and Ainscough made really bad errors, but they will learn from them, and it was what we thought may happen (though not in the same game)

Whether they cost us the game is open to debate, but in the long term it won't do them any harm.

O'Loughlin - Not a captain. Needs the burden off his back. Not scoring enough tries in attack although outstanding in defence, especially from marker positions.

Hock - Quality at times but mentally lacks the edge to be "world class".

Riddell - No better or worse than Higham so far.

Roberts - Dissappointing but we still lack a good centre on his side.

Fielden - Too overpaid. Not worth a new contract.

Smith - Again mentally lacks the edge to be "world class". Defence woeful. Worse I've seen in a Wigan shirt in truth. He could be Barrettesque in attack but waste of time if you can't defend.

Bailey - Solid and reliable but never been seen as class to me despite his Aussie caps in 2003.

They are not bottom 7 standard though but we really need to start questioning the captaincy. Its not good enough and I'm rapidly losing patience. The leadership is none exsistent and in the three home defeats so far, leadership could easily have been the difference in us winning those games. Goal Kicking as well to be fair.

I said the same coming off the ground tonight, what will interest me most is the reaction to Noble of these performances - will they get a start against Saints or will they get dropped ? I know what should happen but am a little worried that only one will make the bench.

That's my point.

If all these players are the standard of what you're now saying they are then we wouldn't have signed/promoted them and everybody would have been up in arms when we did sign them.

Well I am sure I will be shouted down on this point, but yet again Lockers failed.

He is never in a million years a Captain.

I don't buy this "he leads by example" B.S. as he clearly does not.


And yes, this is where i disagree with Nobby, who seems to think the sun shines out of Lockers backside.


Frankly if Lockers had caught the ball in the first half, we would have won the game imo.

No I don't disagree but the lack of a captain makes it a fine line between winning and losing. The games we've lost (bar Leeds) have all been winnable and we could easily be looking at being 7 and 1 or 6 and 2ish. Ok some may blame the coach. I don't particularly (although I am losing patience). I don't look at individuals either, I look as a team and we are just not being directed around the park in any way shape of form. Our last tackles are absolute garbage and they are vital to success in Rugby League. Maybe that is the coaches fault, I'm not so sure but I've sympathy for Noble because they were not planning to lose Barrett for this season.

Which one was that? The spill over the line early on? Thought that was Hock!