At the beggining of the season Ian Lenagan said in the local paper that this was the the year that Wigan would be seriousley challenging a top 3 position. Wigan then went on to lose there 3 games and said there was no need to panic. The next game Wigan played at harlequins and just managed to win and beat Bradford easily. Ian Lengan came out of is office to basicley say that the team is now playing EXCELLENT rugby league! and then they go and lose by 30 points to Leeds!. What IL hasnt noticed that as a fan for over 20 years the team is KNOWHERE near as good as it used to be. The simple fact is that Leeds and St Helens have signed better players than Wigan and that the salary cap has ruined the clubs chances of being the top team or a top 3 team! people need to realise that even though sam tomkins and young ainscough are good young players they still need 4 or 5 signings to start to compete with Leeds/St Helens

Blame Richie Mathers!

I'm guessing you'd have preferred Ian Lenagan to come out and say that we don't have a chance this season, and to write off the Bradford win as a monumental stroke of good fortune.

For what it's worth, I think you'll find that most fans recognise the difference between our team now and the team of 15 years ago. I think you'll also find that most fans - except apparently you - recognise the many reasons for our once-in-a-lifetime dominance of the late 80s early 90s, and equally recognise that it would be extraordinarily difficult to recreat that situation in the age of the credit crunch and the salary cap.

Still, don't let reality stop you starting yet another pointless thread.

Still, don't let reality stop you starting yet another pointless thread.'"

So do i

Me three !

What i have noticed about a certian MR FRISK is that whenever he starts a thread and people reply he never ever replies again. Do you think after he has pressed the submit button he realises what a stupid thing he has posted and goes into hiding bit like Salman Rushdie ?

or is a wind up merchant....

Don't like the sound of that....

I just think that level of superiority only comes along very rarely. Billy Boston and co were playing when I was a young lad, but I don't remember a great deal about that time other than the cup finals. I was fortunate enough to live through the real glory days - 86-95 in my estimation - as an adult, and still have vivid and glorious memories. Anyone who thinks Leeds and Saints are great sides, can't possibly remember the Wigan of that era.

I just don't think it would be possible for the British game to throw up another team of that calibre, so long as cash is tight and the salary cap prevents it being spent even when it isn't tight. And no, before anyone starts, I'm not going to get into another SC debate. I've made my views clear on that in other posts, and don't think that one super-team blitzing everyone else all season is in any way good for the game.

im back! and to further my thread i am simply telling the truth on how the club is at this moment i am simply saying that this team will NOT be challenging for honours this season

i do NOT agree with MR FRISK

I agree with Mr Frisk..

Lenegan has said all along 2010 would be our big year. We still have too many average players on big wages for us to do anything this year.

We are a better side now than we have been for a while but we still have some improving to do before we can say we have a realistic chance of winning something.

Careful! It has been a mantra of all and sundry to say we only dominated back then because we were the only full time team when in fact we only went full time in the 91/92 season.

I happen to think we dominated for far more positive reasons than the cliché of we only bought our success.

For example I think the club back then did many things off the pitch better than it does now e.g. compare how the club handled Tuigamala's lack of fitness compared to Feka's.

Radlinski's book is out soon and someone over on Mike's site has been proof reading it and they have mentioned he goes on about how the clubs ethos changed for the worse over the years he was there. I shall definitely be buying a copy!

I think we need to sort these sorts of things out and if we did then we would be far better than we are with the current set of players never mind in 2010 or later.

[uThere is a tendency from some of our own fans to belittle our achievements back then as a way to defend where we are now.[/u Not accusing you of this at all but I reckon I have seen people do so on occasion (probably unknowingly).

Dave

If we think back to Wigan's halcyon days then it soon becomes obvious that todays best two teams Leeds & Stains are just average.
The rest of SL including us are very much less than average.
Following the World Cup at least SKY's tv team have stopped talking about world class players. The WC squad was made up largely of Leeds and Stains players and they proved that we are way behind the NRL.
We are not a good team this year and we have a pack that most weeks comes off 2nd best.
The pack and mainly the front row should have been Lenagan's priority when he bought the club. At Bradford Noble proved that if you give him the pack he wants he will win you trophies.
Until they sort out the pack they are whistling in the wind - so's to speak!

even with the same name as me i dont agree with you

MR FRISK said this team will NOT be challenging this season i think we will be challenging this season never said we would be winning so therefore i do NOT agree with MR FRISK and i am out.

I'm not so sure about that bit, FT. The other night, Sinfield missed a conversion and Eddie the Idiot said: "Oh, so he's mortal after all."

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Sinfield ... is mortal after all?

Just off the top of my head, I can think of several GB loose forwards of relatively recent times who wouldn't have lowered themselves to wipe their a***s on Kevin Sinfield: Hanley, Faz, Clarkey, Sculthorpe ... I'm sure there are more if we can be bothered taking time off work to really give i thought.

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[size=75Cruncher wrote: I'm not so sure about that bit, FT. The other night, Sinfield missed a conversion and Eddie the Idiot said: "Oh, so he's mortal after all."

Mwhahahahahahahah

Sinfield ... is mortal after all?

Just off the top of my head, I can think of several GB loose forwards of relatively recent times who wouldn't have lowered themselves to wipe their a***s on Kevin Sinfield: Hanley, Faz, Clarkey, Sculthorpe ... I'm sure there are more if we can be bothered taking time off work to really give i thought.[/size