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| Now with McIlorum back from suspension and with Sam Tomkins showing that he can play at first team level without being trampled all over will Nobby have the guts to drop Smith, who quite frankly has been poor so far for inform players??
Sam worked well as an impact player but can he go for 80 mins or is it too early? Surely McIlorum cannot be dropped he's been playing well, what would you do?
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| Stick with the same IMO, but drop Coley, he was dire at Quins. I'd like to see Sam Tomkins start, but whilst I think he was fantastic at Quins, we're starting to expect him to be some sort of savious for Wigan, needless pressure IMO.
Stick with the same and see how we fare. McIllorum should be made to fight for his place, not just walk straight back into the squad.
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| Quote ="SiY"Now with McIlorum back from suspension and with Sam Tomkins showing that he can play at first team level without being trampled all over will Nobby have the guts to drop Smith, who quite frankly has been poor so far for inform players??
Sam worked well as an impact player but can he go for 80 mins or is it too early? Surely McIlorum cannot be dropped he's been playing well, what would you do?'"
Hmm its a tricky one. Sam impressed yesterday and shouldnt be dropped.
Macca has been playing great before his suspension.
My first impression was drop Smith and have lulu and tomkins at half back. And Macca and Piggy at Hooker.
But the team looks sooo much better when Tommy goes 9 because it gets IMO our best player more involved in the game.
I dont think Noble will change for the system we played last night.
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| simple.......bring in macca and drop piggy
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| play the exact same team
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| I'd be tempted to try that stick with the same. If Smith doesn't improve next week i'd drop him for a week see if it changes it round.
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| there s no head ache sam as to play
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| I would drop Smith or Riddell, I would much rather see our young guns play.
We need a big clear out of all our foreign players and bring through some young british talent and sign some British players. We should only be getting 2 or 3 overseas players and the ones we get should be quality like Richards and Feka not waste of space like Phelps and Bailey.
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| Whatever happens Tommy should play hooker off the bench and Sam should play from the start. Piggy will not get dropped because of the money we are paying him.
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| If Noble drops Sam he needs serious mental help
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| I'd play the same side tbh. Smith did a little better yesterday in defence and when it clicks in attack for him he can run a game.
Also i wouldn't like to see too much pressure heaped on Sam by sticking him in too soon against the Bulls. It's not that he's not good enough but lets hold him back and keep him abit of a secret from the other sides.
When the early tussle is out of the way introduce him to work the tired Bradford forwards.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I'd play the same side tbh. Smith did a little better yesterday in defence and when it clicks in attack for him he can run a game.
Also i wouldn't like to see too much pressure heaped on Sam by sticking him in too soon against the Bulls. It's not that he's not good enough but lets hold him back and keep him abit of a secret from the other sides.
When the early tussle is out of the way introduce him to work the tired Bradford forwards.'"
Wasn't that a big problem for them last week? Sam should be impact(ish) again, give Riddell and Smith their last match before a lay off for the worst to bring McIlorum back in for Leeds.
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| Given the length of contract Riddell's signed I'd try and our other Forwards playing as a unit; otherwise he'll be a bloody expensive waterboy!
Smith could well be off at the end of the year and, as much as I like his field of passing, I'd stick him in the reserves to work on his defence.
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| Quote ="SiY"I'd be tempted to try that stick with the same. If Smith doesn't improve next week i'd drop him for a week see if it changes it round.'"
Can you imagine Smith trying to tackle Ali Lau when we play leeds. I can already imagine him trying to hang onto senior's collor If he doesnt improve then yes he should be dropped.
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| Quote ="odemwingie"I would drop Smith or Riddell, I would much rather see our young guns play.'"
I've just heard a good one - a question was asked within the club of how the fat bloke in the middle played last night......the response was "which one"
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I'd play the same side tbh. Smith did a little better yesterday in defence and when it clicks in attack for him he can run a game.'"
No he didnt. His defence was awful yet again and was so bad that Noble took him off and didnt dare put him back on. In fact the defence on that side of the field was awful and was as bad as the week before. We were just lucky that Harlequins blew their chances.
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| With Smith being such a liability in defence the only way Noble can play him is if he doesn't have him defending out wide where he is much more likely to get one-on-one tackles to make with fast men running at him at pace.
He needs to defend in the middle but with a minder to help him out.
S Tomkkins and Ainscough both got chances due to injury and suspensions but I can't see how they should be dropped if they played as well as people have reported v Quins.
So, Nobles dilemma is therefore to pick the team on form despite it not being the one he might instinctively think is hie best team.
This could mean for example Smiths at 7 (if he plays at all), TL and McIllorum sharing the 9 spot and Tomkins at 6. If Riddell is unfit playing him does him no favours.
This is way different to what Noble envisaged I am sure but if it turned out that it worked he would be mad to revert to what the assumed would be his best selection.
Noble would get a lot of support if he picked on form even if we lost games because I think most people think the alternative would not make us any better anyway.
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| Can anyone else see Smith just getting up one day soon and think.......'Oh fook it'and head back to Aus?
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| Quote ="MattyB"Can anyone else see Smith just getting up one day soon and think.......'Oh fook it'and head back to Aus?'"
And that is where our problem has been over the past umpteen years - if we don't have consistency at half back for 3 or 4 seasons how can we ever expect to win something? Dobson and Tomkins would have been a great little partnership for years to come. Let's face it, Lulu is better when played at 9, so we need to start scouting for a decent halfback partner for Tomkins for next year now!!
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| Quote ="MattyB"Can anyone else see Smith just getting up one day soon and think.......'Oh fook it'and head back to Aus?'"
Based on his 4 games this year I honestly wouldnt be bothered if he did.
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| Saturday was Noble's first winning team, he'll stick with it.
Mathers was available after suspension but wasn't selected for the 17. Same fate this week for McIlorum. Agree about them having to fight for their places rather than walking into the team.
Ainscough won't be dropped and we need Pat so Mathers will miss out again. Sam T can't be dropped although I think it's a bit hasty to start him.
Also he looked good when he came of the bench. Noble was right though when he said he looked very composed.
Sam T is far better than he produced on Saturday but when to play him?
Unless there's injuries I think Noble will go with the same again.
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| I think one things for sure, Mathers is going to be watching a lot of rugby for the rest of the season baring any injuries. And i think the same will apply to Phelps.
Coley needs to be replaced with Prescott, he offered nothing again on Saturday.
Smith took a knock during the game, so you may find that Sam will start and Mcllorum will again start on the bench.
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| I think people need to remember the club have said they will only play Tomkins in 10 games this season. Do not be suprised if he is not in the 17 next week.
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| Quote ="- Neil -"I think people need to remember the club have said they will only play Tomkins in 10 games this season. Do not be suprised if he is not in the 17 next week.'"
With the injury to Smith im not sure Noble will have a choice.
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| Quote ="Hogan Knows Best"With the injury to Smith im not sure Noble will have a choice.'"
What's the extent of his injury?
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