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| The only saving grace is that over the next couple of seasons the true NRL stars left within SL at other clubs will have left to go back to the NRL (Doggie Monaghan..etc) or retired, leaving ALL other clubs to scout the lower aussie leagues for project signings / rely on the best of their own homegrown players and scrap for cast-offs from other clubs.
The league will be diluted heavily over the next five years giving us a slight advantage due to the amount of youth we have at our disposal.
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| Quote ="Famous"Smith and Green are going to be an unkwown quantity as a combination and it will take time, something some Wigan fans arent too good at giving players, or coaches for that matter. They could give us things that we've been lacking, such as a kicking game and more organisation at half back. The trouble is we dont really know and wont know until next season.'"
We have a good idea of the standard of these players in absolute terms. Relative to those of ours who are leaving and those of our main rivals and they aren't as good. It is that simple.
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| SW contradicts himself in team selections.
SO is not a 9 nor is he a 6 yet SW played him a 9, when TL was injured SO played at 6, he was average at best. Last night again he was played at 9 with Farrel at 13. It takes something away from the strucutre of the team, you could tell when the ball was moved wide it didn't look slick at all and missed SO as a link out wide.
The main issue here is he is playing SO a 9 because MM is suspended hence shuffling the team around, yet when Tomkins was injured he chose to pick Murphy from the U20's at full back and promote from within...he has played one SL game against Bradford to mind - terrible decision on reflection.
Personally I think Pat at Full Back and Thornley on the wing with either Smith or TL at 9 in a game of this magnitude woud have been better. If your going to 'shuffle' the team around then do it and be committed or if his philosphy is 'youth driven' then bring Logan Tomkins in as a specialist Hooker on the bench. I would avoid playing Gelling on the wing against Leeds as they exploited him in the CC semi with great effect.
I just think he contradicts himself with his coaching philosophy and tends to go through spells having bringing youth in and then you dont see them for a few games i.e. Crosby, Spencer, L Tomkins.
Either way Murphy dropped a vital bomb from which the winning penalty resulted, I hope this helps Murphy and his development rather than hinders his confidence.
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| Quote ="DaveO"We have a good idea of the standard of these players in absolute terms. Relative to those of ours who are leaving and those of our main rivals and they aren't as good. It is that simple.'"
So out of who was/is available who would you have signed? Please dont come out with ridiculous names like Soward, Reynolds and Cronk who we wouldnt have had a cat in hells chance of signing.
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| Quote ="MattyB"OUT:
Lima'"
As I have pointed out on here many, many times - IL is a business man, at the last club forum we had he pointed out the club had made a profit for the first time under his tenure of around 100k. No doubt his long term plan is to make the club a profitable business...
I totally agree we need some marquee signings with the departure of several high profile players. Green spent half the season injured at Hull KR, there are rumours of Scott Taylor coming but little else. I think IL wants to push youth development and to be fair this has been his long term vision since he came to the club. In another of the forums he highlighted the NRL salary cap increase and the fact we can not match salaries anymore so rather than break the bank we could pay several youth players instead. This sticks out in my mind as it got a bit heated at the forum and IL had a few cross words with some blokes at the back of the room.
It's reasons like this we need a club forum, last season and the season before we had a few of them, this season there hasn't been one?!
Come on Wigan we need a club forum ASAP!! - If you want people to commit to season tickets....
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| Here are some home truths. We are ridiculously dependent on Tomkins and ut shows time and time again. When a team marks him well or he doesn't play, our attacking play is awful. Finch has been very poor for a number of weeks now, culminating in last night's debacle of a performance. We have our best centre retiring with whoever replacing him nowhere near his level. Our pack:- Mossop and Lima started the season fantastically well, then for the second half of the season their performances have been very average. Prescott is a liability as hes always injured, Lauaki is not Wigan standard however much people wanna kid themselves about him, for example he came on for his first spell yesterday and didn't take a drive for 8 minutes when we struggled to get out our own 20. Flower was impressive, I have no complaints over both him and Dudson. Tommy is the biggest lost of all the players IMO and Smith and Green just don't compare to Tommy and Finch despite the latters poor revent form. Think we have got to be realistic about our chances for the next couple of years. it may be a period of transition until our young players become senior players and some of academy lads feature. Sadly, I believe we have blown a huge chance with the current "names" we have on paper not performing at the important stages. Rant over
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| Quote ="yickpie24"SW contradicts himself in team selections.
SO is not a 9 nor is he a 6 yet SW played him a 9, when TL was injured SO played at 6, he was average at best. Last night again he was played at 9 with Farrel at 13. It takes something away from the strucutre of the team, you could tell when the ball was moved wide it didn't look slick at all and missed SO as a link out wide.
The main issue here is he is playing SO a 9 because MM is suspended hence shuffling the team around, yet when Tomkins was injured he chose to pick Murphy from the U20's at full back and promote from within...he has played one SL game against Bradford to mind - terrible decision on reflection.
Personally I think Pat at Full Back and Thornley on the wing with either Smith or TL at 9 in a game of this magnitude woud have been better. If your going to 'shuffle' the team around then do it and be committed or if his philosphy is 'youth driven' then bring Logan Tomkins in as a specialist Hooker on the bench. I would avoid playing Gelling on the wing against Leeds as they exploited him in the CC semi with great effect.
I just think he contradicts himself with his coaching philosophy and tends to go through spells having bringing youth in and then you dont see them for a few games i.e. Crosby, Spencer, L Tomkins.
Either way Murphy dropped a vital bomb from which the winning penalty resulted, I hope this helps Murphy and his development rather than hinders his confidence.'"
So who was at fault for losing us the game, Murphy or the player who gave the penalty away?
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| Rather than trying focus on who may be at fault, you should focus on either Sinfield for a great kick that even Sam may have spilled and to Leeds for a quick play the ball which meant that Farrell had to scramble back which led to him being offside.
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| Home truths IMO. Out of the players leaving we're only going to miss two, Tommy and George and it showed again last night that we need cover at hooker. As everyone knows by now we aren't going to get any "name" signings from the NRL but every other team is in the same boat so I don't see that as a major problem. Wether we like it or not the key to next season will be having our first choice 17 available for the games that matter, if we do that we'll be in with a shout, go all out to finish top again and this time next year we'll probably be sulking again.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"Rather than trying focus on who may be at fault, you should focus on either Sinfield for a great kick that even Sam may have spilled and to Leeds for a quick play the ball which meant that Farrell had to scramble back which led to him being offside.'"
Which players were at fault for Leeds getting a quick play the ball? We hardly got a quick play the ball all game because Leeds didn't let us!
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| Here's a home truth that won't be popular. Apart from some flashes of brilliance Finch hasn't been good value. No pace and far too many speculative passes that have cost us in big games (again last night!). Interceptions, passes into the dummy runner, passes to the floor. His last tackle options and his kicking have been woeful.
Just sayin...
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Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Ok Johnh, and , if I must.
And please take this as a FINAL example of how you really must grow up and educate yourself before "playing with the grown ups"
www.yourdictionary.com/wonting
Goodbye.'"
EPIC FAIL!
"Educate yourself before playing with the grown ups"????
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE MEANING ON YOUR OWN LINK!
The meaning of 'wonting' has absolutely nothing to do with the context you used it in.
The phrase IS 'to be found WANTING'.
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Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Ok Johnh, and , if I must.
And please take this as a FINAL example of how you really must grow up and educate yourself before "playing with the grown ups"
www.yourdictionary.com/wonting
Goodbye.'"
EPIC FAIL!
"Educate yourself before playing with the grown ups"????
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE MEANING ON YOUR OWN LINK!
The meaning of 'wonting' has absolutely nothing to do with the context you used it in.
The phrase IS 'to be found WANTING'.
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| Quote ="nohalfbacks"Rather than trying focus on who may be at fault, you should focus on either Sinfield for a great kick that even Sam may have spilled and to Leeds for a quick play the ball which meant that Farrell had to scramble back which led to him being offside.'"
Even Sam may have spilled? Almost certainly would have as this is one of the weaknesses of his game. Attacking a genuine world beater, defence competent at best. Sorry to see you lose though.
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Here's a home truth that won't be popular. Apart from some flashes of brilliance Finch hasn't been good value. No pace and far too many speculative passes that have cost us in big games (again last night!). Interceptions, passes into the dummy runner, passes to the floor. His last tackle options and his kicking have been woeful.
Just sayin...'"
I think thats unfair. Whilst he has been a bit off form lately for the first 2/3 of the season he was outstanding constantly picking the right man out and causing chaos for the opposition. At one point he was being touted as a possible candidate for Man of Steel such was his contribution. Last night he was very poor and you could blame him for many things such as passing the ball without even looking and some very poor last tackle plays. I think that stray pass that led to Leeds only try was down to Sams injury. Finch would of been looking for Tomkins running round the back of Hock but the only problem was Tomkins was sat in the stand! Yes it was disappointing to see such an experienced player perform so badly but on the whole he has been a very good player for us especially this year.
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| So we want IFL out as well now do we?
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| Quote ="Famous"So out of who was/is available who would you have signed? Please dont come out with ridiculous names like Soward, Reynolds and Cronk who we wouldnt have had a cat in hells chance of signing.'"
I have no idea who we could have signed but there being no one else available won't make Smith and Green better players will it? They are what they are and I am sick of hearing this "who else could we have signed" comment being trotted out. The club has ended up with poorer half backs than our rivals for next season despite the fact none of them have Soward, Reynolds or Cronk on their books either and that is all that matters at the end of the day - the standard of player in our team.
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| Holdsworth is better than either green or smith and was available for less than you paid for either
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| Quote ="caytonrobin"Even Sam may have spilled? Almost certainly would have as this is one of the weaknesses of his game. Attacking a genuine world beater, defence competent at best. Sorry to see you lose though.'"
Sam would have caught it. His weakness is when people apply pressure to the high bomb. Murphy was under no such pressure.
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| Quote ="proper-shaped-balls"So who was at fault for losing us the game, Murphy or the player who gave the penalty away?'"
Neither. The most blame lies with Wane for picking such an inexperienced player at full back and playing Lockers at 9.
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| Quote ="Conroy"Murphy seemed to eager to take the ball on the full for me but had he let it bounce and it hurtled back towards the Leeds side then he'd have been ridiculed then too. I feel sorry for him tonight.'"
I hope people on here arent blaming Murphy for that?
100% fault goes to Finch. Should have kicked for touch instead of getting a rush of blood to the head trying an impossible kick with zero chance of success. Why is it the most experienced players bottle it in big matches? Murphy did OK it was NOT his fault.
Saying that, last nights result hasnt sunk in yet for me, I guess when this evenings match starts its going hit me. Im not looking forward to that feeling. Good luck to both teams tonight I hope they put on a show that is just as entertaining.
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| Quote ="DaveO"Neither. The most blame lies with Wane for picking such an inexperienced player at full back and playing Lockers at 9.'"
I agree for a change with you.
But go back a bit and if Wane had used his brains rather than his heart he would have rested over half the team against Saints this month took a beating and would not have SL best loose forward at hooker. As for the full back position it would have been less of an issue to have Richards there and Gelling or Thornley on the wing than to put a young guy in whose confidence now will have taken a major knock.
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| Quote ="tank123"I agree for a change with you.
But go back a bit and if Wane had used his brains rather than his heart he would have rested over half the team against Saints this month took a beating and would not have SL best loose forward at hooker. As for the full back position it would have been less of an issue to have Richards there and Gelling or Thornley on the wing than to put a young guy in =#FF0000whose confidence now will have taken a major knock.'"
Thats also one of my MASSIVE worries about last night.
A young 20 yr old lad who now has that to stew on for 6 months before he can even put it right...bad enough in a league game or even a CC game but at least he could come back from those games next week and start re-building. In a final eliminator there is no such luxury!
I fear that his confidence could be knocked that much it could ruin a promising rugby league career- He'll watch tonight and next week and unfortunately no matter what's said to him will blame himself - stupid choice by SW imo
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| Quote ="Mash Butty"I hope people on here arent blaming Murphy for that?
100% fault goes to Finch. Should have kicked for touch instead of getting a rush of blood to the head trying an impossible kick with zero chance of success.n
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| Quote ="DaveO"I have no idea who we could have signed but there being no one else available won't make Smith and Green better players will it? They are what they are and I am sick of hearing this "who else could we have signed" comment being trotted out. The club has ended up with poorer half backs than our rivals for next season despite the fact none of them have Soward, Reynolds or Cronk on their books either and that is all that matters at the end of the day - the standard of player in our team.'"
Do you not think others are equally sick of hearing the constant negativity about signing players who aren't as good when it was pretty much inevitable there wouldn't be any chance of replacing either Finch or Leuluai like for like given the quality players they are and the lack of quality available.
It works both ways and just because you are sick of it doesn't mean you can put across your point of view and insinuate people are fed up with hearing the alternative.
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| Quote ="tank123"I agree for a change with you.
But go back a bit and if Wane had used his brains rather than his heart he would have rested over half the team against Saints this month took a beating and would not have SL best loose forward at hooker. As for the full back position it would have been less of an issue to have Richards there and Gelling or Thornley on the wing than to put a young guy in whose confidence now will have taken a major knock.'"
I think the way Wane has managed the team has been poor. We ended up having to bust a gut to win v HKR because we lost games we should have easily won v Widnes and Bradford and those losses had a lot to do with team selection. So our last two games before the play-offs were a massive effort v HKR and he clearly had the team fired up v Saints.
To be fair he would have take A LOT of stick had he put a weak side out v Saints and had it been common knowledge he was going to do so the gate would have dropped and the income would have been less but that is the dilemma the play offs give you. Do you respect the league fixtures or do you "do a Millward"?
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