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| Quote ="Geoff"I'd say so, yes. That's the whole point of the loan/dual reg system. We recalled Charnley from HKR for a single game (admittedly it was aginst HKR, so he couldn't have played for them anyway), and also Ainscough from Cas for one game.'"
I'm pretty sure if we were to send Charnley out on loan he wouldn't be able to be recalled for the first month. Also, Ainscough and Charnley never returned to the clubs they were at. If we recall them, chances are they aren't going back out on loan to those same clubs and we'd have to find a new one. They won't take too kindly to being messed around and having to sort out a new loan deal because we keep recalling players for just a single match. It would disrupt the player and clubs would think twice before taking our players on loan.
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| I'm not a fan of Karl Pryce at all and i make no bones about it. I didn't rate him when watching him at bradford and dont rate him now. It's about overall contribution to the team for me and Karl doesn't offer much more than finishing off trys from 10 yards out. (a bit of a general statement but you get my drift) But putting my dislike to one side, i actually can't work out how he's managed to get an extension. I understood the last extension as it gave Pryce a chance to show to madge what he could do over a full season. He hasn't done anything to warrant a spot. Others have gone on their way quicker than Pryce has. And how narked would i be if i was Carmont who has to justify his extension every year whereas KP just has to fall over the line a few times and then take it easy in the reserves for the rest of the season and get another deal??? I'd rather let him go and use the "real" youngsters as extra cover
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| Quote ="bigtruck"I'm not a fan of Karl Pryce at all and i make no bones about it. I didn't rate him when watching him at bradford and dont rate him now. It's about overall contribution to the team for me and Karl doesn't offer much more than finishing off trys from 10 yards out. (a bit of a general statement but you get my drift) But putting my dislike to one side, i actually can't work out how he's managed to get an extension. I understood the last extension as it gave Pryce a chance to show to madge what he could do over a full season. He hasn't done anything to warrant a spot. Others have gone on their way quicker than Pryce has. And how narked would i be if i was Carmont who has to justify his extension every year whereas KP just has to fall over the line a few times and then take it easy in the reserves for the rest of the season and get another deal??? I'd rather let him go and use the "real" youngsters as extra cover'"
The big difference is that Carmont was 31 years of age when he wanted a two year deal.Wigan only wanted to give him a one year contract. It was the correct thing to do to monitor the number of games he played in 2010, which then "triggered" the extra year. it worked well for both Geporge and the club.
It's now up to Pryce to prove that he is worth another contract for 2012. if he performs he will get one, if he doesn't he won't.
I don't think that either Ryan King or Matty Russel are ready for Superleage yet, so keeping Pryce was always a viable option.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The big dereference is that Carmont was 31 years of age when he wanted a two year deal.Wigan only wanted to give him a one year contract. It was the correct thing to do to monitor the number of games he played in 2010, which then "triggered" the extra year. it worked well for both Geporge and the club.
It's now up to Pryce to prove that he is worth another contract for 2012. if he performs he will get one, if he doesn't he won't.
I don't think that either Ryan King or Matty Russel are ready for Superleage yet, so keeping Pryce was always a viable option.'"
From the club's point of view, it was a perfect deal.
Everything we've seen from the new management team has shown us that performance is the indicator to how your future at Wigan will pan out. Pryce will most probably get his chances in 2011 to prove that he merits a place at Wigan going forward, which is exactly how it should be.
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| Quote ="Guerrier"From the club's point of view, it was a perfect deal.
Everything we've seen from the new management team has shown us that performance is the indicator to how your future at Wigan will pan out. Pryce will most probably get his chances in 2011 to prove that he merits a place at Wigan going forward, which is exactly how it should be.
Good luck to him'"
At the end of the day, it's a bit of a pointless argument. He's here, and there's not much point in people sitting around fuming about it.
Pryce is a condundrum to me. I wish he was as good as people seem to think he could be, but neither do I think he's as bad as is sometimes portrayed.
At the end of the day, he's a small part of a large and very efficient squad. In that respect, I don't think he weakens us noticably, if at all.
IMO, there is too much good stuff going on at Wigan at present for us to get angry or frustrated by something like this.
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| I've been watching this thread with great amusement for sometime now.
A point that's being missed on the top 25 earners and the salary cap:
Assuming we have >24 players on the roster, =#FF0040somebody will always be the 25th (or 23rd, 24th etc) highest earner at the club =#FF0040regardless of how little they actually earn.
Putting somebody in the 25th highest earners at the club does not directly equate to them getting much of a wage at all. Just do some basic math.
How much is he on? we'll never know exactly.
All we can deduce is that there's a KP's salary shaped space on our salary cap liability (1st or 2nd tier), lets call that amount =#FF0040X and that the =#FF0040club deem that spending amount =#FF0040X on KP was more beneficial to the team than using amount =#FF0040X for =#FF0040any other purpose. When considering that =#FF0040X maybe small (and still put him in the top 25), and only the club know what =#FF0040X is and what the alternatives are, further discussion on =#FF0040X becomes moot.
Eitherway I expect this to run and run until it's quoted to death.
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| SEB,
You've been quiet for a while.
Agree entirely, but you won't convince a lot on here.
Dave O will come up with some conspiracy theory, written by Mickey Highams mum of course.
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| We should start to call Karl Pryce "the Cat" - he seems to have as many lives.
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| my granny would have scored the trys he scored and she's dead.
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| Quote ="juicyjulie"my granny would have scored the trys he scored and she's dead.'"
Doubt it.
I am not comparing the players but when Pat Richards plucks a ball out of mid air and falls over the line it deemed amazing.
When Pryce does the same it is because he is a lazy get who was probably going to fall over anyway.
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| We have just seen the benefit already of his signing in that we can now confidently allow one of our junior outside backs a seasons first team development without leaving the squad with less depth.
Pryce provides significant cover freeing up other players to progress their careers for the benefit of the club long term, without damaging the squad short term.
Fantastic planning, and strategy, of course Dave O will have had a better plan to progress the lads careers without signing Pryce.
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| Quote ="juicyjulie"my granny would have scored the trys he scored and she's dead.'"
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| Quote ="juicyjulie"my granny would have scored the trys he scored and she's dead.'"
A serious question.
How many 60 yarders did Goulding score?
That's not having a go at Goulding.
But then again you were the one who thought Feka was better than Fielden.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"A serious question.
How many 60 yarders did Goulding score?
That's not having a go at Goulding.
But then again you were the one who thought Feka was better than Fielden.
Says it all really.'"
I remember the one at Quins, needed some scoring.
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| Quote ="Pieman"I remember the one at Quins, needed some scoring.'"
Interception, with no one in front of him, but to be fair he did take it well.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Interception, with no one in front of him, but to be fair he did take it well.'"
but the chasers were right behind him and he pulled away. Jones-Bishop couldnt keep up
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| "It is believed he has agreed to stay for far less than other clubs were prepared to offer him."
[urlhttp://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-warriors/warriors_confirm_pryce_will_stay_1_2783164[/url
So it just goes to show other SL clubs were interested in him, and were prepared to offer him a greater salary than ourselves. So credit to Karl for not taking the easy option and signing for them. For me it say's a lot about him if he's prepared to stay and fight for a place at Wigan when "easier options" were available.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"SEB,
You've been quiet for a while.
Agree entirely, but you won't convince a lot on here.
Dave O will come up with some conspiracy theory, written by Mickey Highams mum of course.
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Heya Brian i've been snowed under with work, plus after last season's success there's been little to debate
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge""It is believed he has agreed to stay for far less than other clubs were prepared to offer him."
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So it just goes to show other SL clubs were interested in him, and were prepared to offer him a greater salary than ourselves. So credit to Karl for not taking the easy option and signing for them. For me it say's a lot about him if he's prepared to stay and fight for a place at Wigan when "easier options" were available.'"
It says a great deal about him, as does the fact that a lot of the lads really like him, even though he's portrayed by a group of fans as 'lazy' etc........
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| Funny that the only official word Pryce has signed a new deal is buried in the squad number announcement.......
Quote Both Deacon and Karl Pryce agreed new one-year contracts with the Warriors last week'"
Whereas other players signing new deals get their own club statement, lets take for example the other player who signed a new deal last week...........
Quote Wigan Warriors are delighted to announce that Scrum Half, Paul Deacon, has signed a new one-year playing contract for 2011..............'"
You'd almost think the club were embarrassed by it.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"You'd almost think the club were embarrassed by it.'"
That's how it reads to me.
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| Quote ="Dei Morti Viventi"That's how it reads to me.'"
Goulding extends contract by a year:
Quote Wigan Warriors today announce that the contract of Winger Darrell Goulding has been extended for a further 12 months.'"
Carmont extends contract by a year:
Quote Wigan Warriors are pleased to announce that Centre George Carmont has agreed a one year contract for the 2011 season'"
Deacon extends contract by a year:
Quote Wigan Warriors are delighted to announce that Scrum Half, Paul Deacon, has signed a new one-year playing contract for 2011.'"
Pryce extends contract by a year:
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| Perhaps they did it this way to avoid Muppets slamming the decision and kicking up a fuss........just a thought.
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| Quote ="jonh"Perhaps they did it this way to avoid Muppets slamming the decision and kicking up a fuss........just a thought.'"
here here!
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| Quote ="jonh"Perhaps they did it this way to avoid Muppets slamming the decision and kicking up a fuss........just a thought.'"
Not a very good one by you or them then.
Everyone knows he's signed, not putting a proper statement out isn't going to stop the arguments either way. Neither does it send out a particularly good message to Pryce either.
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