Kirmond would not improve us. Big heart but not the level of quality we need.

Kirmond is a very underrated player imo.

One thing is for sure he's better than what we have now and he's a good defensive player who knows his way to the line.

Who else is there really available?

Shocking position to be in really seeing that this time last year we had HH and Tuson as back up.

Jamal fakir is a free agent, might be worth a risk

Lot of kneejerking going in here. Flower for me with Bateman off the bench. Props - Taylor, Clubb, Crosby and Pettybourne

Fakir is the obvious option but he lacks the mobility we need in defence.

Think we need to look to the NRL or reserve grade. Hughes will never be up to it for me.

Wane was after someone for the position, but unfortunately the players current club wouldn't let him go....The player in questions contract is up at the end of the season,so it might just be a case of biding time!!

Flower is a Prop not a second row. Bateman is our future 13 not a specialist right side second row.

Bateman has played the vast majority of his rugby at second row, although I think it's been mostly on the left than the right. That certainly seems to be where he's expected to play as Burke looks like the one being primed to replace O'Loughlin. Bateman will be a quality back row but he's still a long way from his prime as a player.

Flower defends just fine at loose as he did through the play offs, he can defend in the middle with Lockers defendig that right side, then he can attack as a third prop with Lockers controlling things as usual. Bateman's been doing a good job off the bench at SR no issues there IMO

Baffling that anyone could say that we don't have a problem in that position.

We totally lack mobility and leadership in that channel. We have nobody in our squad at the moment capable if filling that role.

Exactly. As said it was supposed to be Clubb but that doesn't look a goer.

I do think Hughes has potential though. Before he got knocked out of his stride by being given the no 4 short last season I thought he looked like a young Joel T. Either way, it's potential and we need a HH replacement pretty quick or I think it will cost us dearly.

I think the plan was Clubb would be the right side second row. I am sure we knew HH was gone prior to singing Clubb.

Clubb though whilst I think can be an asset to the team is not an asset anywhere other than up front.

Fax I feel is also struggling this year. Our second row has gone from being our strongest position to our weakest and it shows.

I am sure you mean Faz but yes it is much weaker though I thought Faz had his best game so far this season (well in the 2nd half). I think Silverwood really annoyed him and it was like a red rag to a bull. I felt he really lifted the team with his runs and drives.

Agreed. Farrell got the MOM and for once I think the sponsors got it right.

Thought Faz was poor tonight. Bowen for me was comfortably man of the match.

Flower to be fair ran Bowen close though thinking about it.

Jason Chan or Weller Huraki?

Batemans playing as well as Farrell

I think he is talking about Larn Patrick.

My solution get James Roberts and put gelling or Thornley there, they both are big enough and make plenty of meters.

Weren't all the tries down the left last week? Does that mean we need a left side second row as well?

For me the problem was a lack of numbers which causes goulding and charnley to rush out. They're in a no win position. Stay where they are and they leave a gap in the middle, rush out and they leave a gap out wide. I don't think there is a problem with anyone's tackling technique they just need to communicate better and improve on line speed especially when close to the line.

On the plus side we kept them tryless second half and Bateman had a lot to do with that. I'm not panicking.

How did Hansen get on with Salford last night? I was too busy watching Wigan win.

Salford's best signing by a long way.

I agree. Point being it takes more than one person to tackle.

Second row has gone from our strongest position to our weakest, I think recruitment wise it has slipped under the radar due to the strength in depth we had there. For me Jack Hughes is not good/consistent enough. He has one good game every 10 weeks. Farrell will never let us down and John Bateman seems like a superb signing but wane has already stated he won't be playing him every week. We need a Ryan Hoffman style signing, or Harrison Hansen back.

To replace a world class second row in HH with a substandard player like Clubb and a young lad like Bateman is awful squad management. To make it even more of a bad decision, SW wants to rest Bateman a lot this season?!?

Also, I find it embarrassing to see Jordan James line up in the Wigan 17. He's far too slow and everyone knows it. People may argue that he brings experience. That's true but that experience he brings is from average, bottom 6 clubs with a losing culture. The likes of Hopkins and Greenwood down at London must feel like sh*t if he's getting in over them.