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| Quote ="Boudicca" What I don't do until the end of the match is applaud the other team generally, e.g. as they are setting up for the kick-off after a score, as some people did last night. To me, that's crossing the border between being sporting and actually supporting the opposition. Others think differently, and that's OK too.'"
No it isn't.
It's no wonder Wigan fans are accused of being one-eyed, if you are only prepared to watch, and appreciate, one side in a game.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"It's nothing about making our player play better though. It's about showing appreciation of the good rugby played by the Catalan side. They were superb last night, yes we were off our game, but the score flattered us rather than them.
IL said in the SS bar after the game that it was good that Wigan fans applauded Catalan and showed their appreciation for Catalans excellent display.
Their scrum half gave the best display I have seen from an opposing player in all the the years since we moved to the new stadium. When he was substituted in the final minutes he was thoroughly deserving of the applause he got.
I'm afraid our game is heading down the way of football, segregated supporters and no appreciation of the opposition.'"
I agree - particularly the bit about Dureau, I can't remember a better individual performance against Wigan for a long while.
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| I clapped Cats when they walked back towards the SS. This is a team that played against top of the league 5 days prior and beat them, had a quick turn around and beat the current champions on our own turf and with a hell of alot of flair anf skill!! As a rugby league fan aswell as a loyal Wiganer I don't understand how that is anything other than 'sportsmanship'??
The silly 'your not fit to wear the shirt' or 'Catalan ole ole ole' chants are just mindless kids IMO.
We're all different I guess - I have never left the ground before the final whisltle win, loose or draw but thats my choice.
Yes we were off the ball last night but can't take anything away from Catalan, they came to do a job and did it. End of.
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| I thought Scott Dureax and Steve Menzies in particular where superb last night and I see nothing wrong in applauding that.
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| Quote ="PHIPPS"
Speaks more about certainly Wigan fans that people like you and a few others are too bitter to appreciate that Catalans totally outplayed you and got the 2 points despite virtually everyone thinking Wigan would cruise it.'"
I have said several times in this thread that Catalans were the better team and deserved their win, I don't think any Wigan fan has questioned this have they? In fact a lot of Wigan fans didnt think Wigan would cruise it, I know I didn't after they beat a very good wire side last week. I clapped them at the end of the game, not when they walked back to their positions. Other fans did and the purpose of this thread was to discuss peoples reasons for clapping/cheering. After being a Wigan fan for the last ten years or so I can assure you im not bitter about losing, especially not to the better team, I've had enough practice! Let's not make this about whether or not Wigan fans are bitter, to question the cats performance last night would be ridiculous!!!
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| Quote ="Ged Byrne's Shammy"I'll never ever clap the opposition onto the pitch, and will never clap when they score or at any other time during the game, WHY WOULD I?? I'm a Wigan supporter, why the hell would I want to give the opposition the drive and determination they get from hearing applause for them from the opposition fans, why the feck would I do that????
Couldn't believe that that happened last night, embarassing to me, and yes I am a bad loser, I hate losing at anything, I hate my team losing, the wife hates my side losing, because she knows how I'm going to be when I get home!
Clapping the opposition doesn't IMHO make our players play better, and that's what we should want, not helping give the opposition the impitus to score more against us!!!
Not happy!
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I'm a bad loser too, but like you i was watching a game, not playing.
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| Quote ="king warrior"This was more embaressing than booing them who ever did it take a look or even better dont turn up at ot when we get there'"
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I've been home and away all over the world for as long as I can remember and because I recognise great play I shouldn't go to Old Trafford to watch my team should they get there???!!!!!
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learn some respect please
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Catalan were superb tonight, and deserved their applause.
Scott Dureax (sp) gave the best performance from any player I have seen against Wigan for many years.
I applauded them on and off the field, they were excellent and that score didn't do them justice. If the one eyed Wigan speccies don't agree, tough.'"
Well said Brian, and that Steve Menzies wasn't too shabby either !!!!
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| I've watched Scotty D come through the grades at the Newcastle Knights since about 2003, and he is the number one student of the Knights halfback academy - well ahead of guys like Walsh and Mullen - but every coach in the NRL knows his achilles heal and knows how to beat a side he is in.
I'm not going to tell you - but every fan in Aus knows he has a very small motor and does nothing and becomes a huge liability in defence if you run all your forwards at him (did I say that out loud?)
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| PS - it's spelt Dureau.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Hated it.
Our fans clapped them onto the pitch.
They clapped Catalans converted try!
Stupid.'"
Thats what makes genuine rugby league supporters so great, the fact that many supporters of Wigan and other clubs can appreciate good rugby league - even if its coming from the opposition.
Nothing stupid about that at all.
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| Quote ="MattyB"I remember the 82 Kangaroos (one of the greatest sides I've ever witnessed) score full length tries for fun against GB. So much so the Aussies were roundly applauded for their brilliance on the day by the British crowd. It's not something that happens very often, probably wouldnt happen against a main rival.'"
Yes I remember that game at CP. The Aussies were awesome that day. I remember the time in the game when they strung together something like 20 passes (I am guessing at the number but it was alot) without being touched. The crowd spontaneously erupted in genuine applause for the brilliance they were witnessing. At times last night I appreciated the play from Catalans but I didn't join in the clapping because I felt some of it seemed patronising and just an attempt to vent frustration. I guess there was a mixture of feelings and certainly those chanted CAT_A_LANS was going a bit too far. I also think booing your own team is rarely justified.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"Well said Brian, and that Steve Menzies wasn't too shabby either !!!!
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Did well for a young lad - decent prospect, I reckon...
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| Quote ="P-J"I assumed the applauding was a sign of dissent from the Wigan faithful.'"
How could anyone interpret it any other way?
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| I don't understand why anyone would clap the away side onto the pitch but I did clap when they scored a very good try which I would for any away teams
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| I clapped them on and off, mainly because, well, as far as I could tell, they had one supporter there (who made a point of waving goodbye to all the fans that left early in our section of the East stand!), and it's sportsmanlike to do so, especially to recognise a good performance at the end.
The booing of our boys, and the amount of grief that Finch was getting was a little over the top IMO, and even though they are professional sportsmen, the amount of grief they were getting, and blatantly able to hear, was bound to have an effect. At one point, Pat looked to be getting wound up at some of the negative comments coming from the East stand, and was definitely glaring at someone.
Comments along the line of "Worst side ever", "We deserve to lose" and "I hope we don't score anymore", are (again) IMO, a little over the top, but then again, if you've paid for your ticket, you're entitled to voice your opinion!.
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| To be fair, it did sound like we deserved to lose...
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| Quote ="roopy"I've watched Scotty D come through the grades at the Newcastle Knights since about 2003, and he is the number one student of the Knights halfback academy - well ahead of guys like Walsh and Mullen - but every coach in the NRL knows his achilles heal and knows how to beat a side he is in.
I'm not going to tell you - but every fan in Aus knows he has a very small motor and does nothing and becomes a huge liability in defence if you run all your forwards at him (did I say that out loud?)'"
Good call, and it would be foolish to devise a game plan that doesn't involve targetting the oppo's halfbacks/most dangerous players in defence.
Trouble was, Wigan's lack of ball control last night meant we never gave ourselves the opportunity....
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| Sometimes you just have to applaud the better team, We clapped Wigan off at Murrayfield 2 seasons ago and in the Grand Final, not sure about clapping tries but i'm sure some frustration played a part
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| Quote ="Jack Kerley"No it isn't.
It's no wonder Wigan fans are accused of being one-eyed, if you are only prepared to watch, and appreciate, one side in a game.'"
??? Did you actually bother to read what I said (admittedly the typing wasn't too hot)? I specifically said I watch and appreciate good play by the other side.
And yes, it really is OK to have differing points of view. Even ones that differ from yours.
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| Quote ="Mrs.Dave"Sometimes you just have to applaud the better team, We clapped Wigan off at Murrayfield 2 seasons ago and in the Grand Final, not sure about clapping tries but i'm sure some frustration played a part'"
Lovin' your username Missus
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| Quote ="Dei Morti Viventi"How could anyone interpret it any other way?'"
Perhaps some people just appreciate good rugby when they see it?
I see planty of people applauding the opposition onto the field every week - and not just Wigan supporters - i see that more as a sign of respect rather than dissent.
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| Quote ="dany1979"Perhaps some people just appreciate good rugby when they see it?
I see planty of people applauding the opposition onto the field every week - and not just Wigan supporters - i see that more as a sign of respect rather than dissent.'"
When it's respectful applause it's a sign of respect, like when I clapped one of their tries last night. However from my vantage point the clapping as the Cats players walked back was clearly a sign of Wiganer's showing their frustration at Wigan's performance.
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| Quote ="Dei Morti Viventi"When it's respectful applause it's a sign of respect, like when I clapped one of their tries last night. However from my vantage point the clapping as the Cats players walked back was clearly a sign of Wiganer's showing their frustration at Wigan's performance.'"
Yep and i think your right - there was a lot of frustration from the terraces but i think supporters have a right to express their frustration in this way.
The bottom line for me is that Les Catalan deserved their applause, im not sure Wigan did.
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| Quote ="Dei Morti Viventi"When it's respectful applause it's a sign of respect, like when I clapped one of their tries last night. However from my vantage point the clapping as the Cats players walked back was clearly a sign of Wiganer's showing their frustration at Wigan's performance.'"
In other words the Wigan fans were sulking?
It's only a game for gods sake.
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