I will definitely have a bet that that's never happened!

So, your view is that only you are right, and that anybody who disagrees with your view is not only wrong, but an idiot?

If you would like to point out where i said we were wonderful, and that it was our best performance of the season, please point it out..

you continually throw sarcastic comments about and when ond is thrown back you complain?
if anyone disagrees with me i have absolutely no problem with that and happy to debate.
ive listed why i dont think we are capable of winning anything what is your rationale for thinking we can?

I looked into the stand at who was sat there.....
Then i looked at the calendar and saw it wasn't October...
Then i looked at the table and saw that however crap you think we are, and i do as well at the moment, and saw that we are riding quite high.... So, we can't be much worse than anybody else, despite having our WHOLE first choice pack missing

As i said. i have not once said we are playing well, but you can't just look at things in black and white. Its so easy to be critical, and when ANYBODY says anything positive, it's jumped upon as if someone has told you they have given your mother surprise anal....

This is my last post on here.....

My whole argument is that even with a full team I don't think we are good enough.
I accept your points but just happen to disagree it's nothing personal it is merely a point of differing opinions which makes the world go around.
I do agree it is far easier to be critical but it also easy to lower expectations which is where I feel the club currently stands.
If we agree to disagree then absolutely no problem.

You obviously never frequented Sweaty Betty's then

I think that you will be ok when injuries are cleared, however I would also be concerned about match fitness as I think that the pre season may have been lost and also hope that the players are not rushed back.

It's always nice to beat wigan, however I would prefer to be beating a full strength wigan ot as close too.the nwtutebof our sport means that injuries will happen and rarely will a coach have the choice of his first team.

Reading thru thread someare worried some aren't I think u have good players I do tho think that the style of players what's the issue more than the players not being good enough.

A good team Warrington who well deserved their win, but I don't think they'd cope without their starting fullback (and marquee player), best winger, and entire starting pack ( going off squad numbers).

If we can get them back for the business end of the year, I think we can have a real go at Warrington

Trying to look on the bright side.
Last season Warrington did exactly the same thing to us at their place, bullied us all over the park, ran out easy and deserving winners.
Super 8's came round 0-22, there's still hope but we need a massive turn around in form.

Since Albert Einstein died

Ratchford and gidley.have now started to gel inches halves, and would probably be good enough to get in

Ratchford and gidley.have now started to gel in the halves, and would probably be good enough to get in
Most teams we've got cover in props cox badly England and king can do a job not ideal but would suffice I guess. I think the one injury we wire fans dread is Chris hill, he is immense

I don't think we would suffer massively missing one or two players but with the injury list u guys have I think most would struggle no matte what kind of depth there is in the squad.

Doesn't he play for Wakefield?

Yes?
Never heard of Badley either.

Apologies baily n Evans, always get Evans and England confused and also can add philbin too.

They all have some reviews super league experience so have some depth there once fit, tho like most teams they wouldn't really get a game if first two are fit.

Genuinely i don't think Wigan fans should be too downbeat, the only thing won at this time of year is bragging rights.

When your top players start to filter back into the side especially STomkins you'll be a completely different force, it is testament to your depth and tenacity that you are still as high as you are even with a major injury crisis.

Here's hoping you finish 2nd to us and lose both finals, to us.

I've just seen that Clubb has been charged by The RFL with "striking with the shoulder".

I'm sorry what? It was body to body contact and there was absolutely no striking of anything. Pathetic from the MRP yet again.

Absolutely baffled myself. Player welfare is paramount but it was a great shot and nothing more. If it was so bad why has nobody been talking about it in the press? Tony Smith didn't even say anything about it apart from Lineham was taken to hospital, everyone obviously hopes he's okay. I don't really like talking about referees, suspensions or anything of that kind but if he's suspended it really is farcical and i hope Wigan contest it.

Injuries are influencing the RFL's decisions nowadays IMO. If Lineham gets up nobody blinks an eye at that challenge. It was the same with Boudebza's ban at the start of the season when Shenton got injured. That was a nothing incident but he gets a ban because a player has been injured accidentally.

They're two different types of challenges but the point stands.

Was a cracking shot.

Happened right in front of me and the noise was massive.

Lineham looked in a bad way obviously, but a very legal tackle.

Clubb's a beast when he is in the mood. Dare i say he is more of a bell ringer than Hansen was? big call i know.

From.sky footage appeared like a Damm good hit, I agree injuries maybe influencing things. The severity and frequency of injuries is alarming tho.

It would be an unlucky call to get a ban for it, remember there was a 5-15min period he was throwing himself about putting in some big hits

Don't think it was intended, but first contact was shoulder to face.

It's pretty clear that any other Super League team facing our injury crisis would be bottom not 2 points off the top. I think it is an incredible feat to be within touching distance with so many average players and youngsters having to play. And how we've managed to win 9 games is beyond me. John Bateman seems to have been playing single-handedly for most of the season.

Much as it goes against the grain, players like Isa, Burke, Sutton, Tautai, and Tierney are just not good enough at the moment. But every squad needs back up. These players won't be playing at the back end if most of our injuries clear up.

Players like Gregson, Wells, Higginson, Waterhouse and Bretherton are just not ready for the first team but have been needed in recent weeks.

The first 17 would be something like - S. Tomkins, Manfredi, Gelling, Sarginson, Charnley, Williams, Smith, Mossop, McIlorum, O'Loughlin, J.Tomkins, Farrell and Bateman then Flower, Clubb, Powell, Gildart on the bench. So the likes of Isa and Burke would be nowhere near the team.

No Sam, no Lockers and no Micky Mac would be handicap enough for any team but add Faz, Joel, Dom Manfredi and Ben Flower and it is clear why Tony Smith took very little pleasure from the win.

How can you make that argument though when we haven't had our full team on the field all year? Judge us when everyone is back (or at least most of them) and they've had a run in the team.

I agree that the overall quality is down but that is a problem across the whole league, not just at Wigan.

I thought we were awful technically last year and with the loss of Burgess and Bowen our main and arguably only threats that even the return of ST may not not be enough in itself to turn us into something like an entertaining team.
My gripes are that we are a team of jack of all trades with virtually no masters, we lack basic skills, do not have a kicking game, rotate players by the clock irrespective of how a game goes, we think that we don't need a golakicker, play at a pedestrian pace, lack any sort of intensity plus unlike others I also question our fitness.
For me this isn't a "this season" problem we have been deteriorating since the end of 2013 and I see nothing that says we can improve even when we get players back unless ST really can do the impossible.
All very negative I know but I can only say what I see.
I think the issue is one of poor recruitment and potentially poor coaching that needs several major signings to resolve however, like most people I know that in the current climate this is a difficult problem to resolve and probably needs a couple of seasons to deliver.
As I keep saying I hope I'm wrong and that the majority on here are right and with a full team available we should still be challenging for honours.