yes we have had our fingers burnt on more than one occasion,but those two I would have back in a shot,

I've said it before but we need to tap into the network Hull KR have in NRL.

They keep pulling rabbits out of thier NRL hat. Guys like Paea, Galea, Wayman, Vella etc all had an NRL pedigree and plenty of experience. All however still had that fire. All would walk on up the current Wigan side as well.

And watching Cuthbertson last night, I mean that guy is a seriously good footballer. It seems unfair to say it, but was he considered something of a journeyman in the NRL? Man of Steel for me, so far.

I agree re Hull KR's scouting. Somebody's doing a good job for them.

I was always a big Mossop fan before he went to Australia but at the moment he is running with zero aggression. At times last night he looked absolutely petrified when taking the ball in.

I imagine the poster who labelled O'Loughlin as finished and too stubborn to retire is feeling pretty silly after his performance last night.

He didn't play huge minutes but his effect on the team was clear for all to see. He seemed to make more yards than any other forward including the props. If it wasn't for Sarginson not passing to Burgess he would have also created a try from a lovely pass which is typical Sean O'Loughlin.

I agree we could do with another prop. I'm unsure of everyone who is off contract in the NRL but I think Sam Tagatese and Suaia Matagi both are and could be worth a shot. Matagi was impressive for Samoa in the Workd Cup.

Why, because he put in a half decent performance, let's see how long he can keep it up

I'm normally all for promoting from the academy but I agree with what others have said here, two props required for next season IMO. One pack leader (probably NRL) who will start every game he is fit for, one to add depth (Championship?) let Mossop and Patrick go as soon as we can, send Crosby out on loan to an SL club for the season to see if he iimproves with another season under his belt

When you're in a hole - stop digging!

I take it you are a Lockers super fan

, Lockers is nowhere near the player he was last season, Sculthorpe at Saints springs to mind

You don't get it do you? Lockers might not be as good as he was - but he's still better than anyone else we've got, and still good enough for Super League. So why the hell do you want him to retire?

Plenty of fans saying it, not just me, remove your tinted glasses and you will see

Should have gone for Frank The Tank!

I hope Wane shows them the game from last month to embarrass a performance out of our forwards this week. One of the most cowardly performances I've seen from a set of forwards for a very long time - letting Ashton Sims play Billy Big Balls was pitiful.

I also hope Williams points out the fact that not one forward did anything to Sims after his cowardly punch.

Forget Pie Smash, the only thing being smashed this week should be Sims.

We don't have it in us anymore (down to the Flower incident IMO).

Wire fans are worried they don't have much aggression in their pack but minus Micky Mac ours will simply roll over and get its belly tickled.

Whilst our props may be poor, although I'd say Flower and Clubb are adequate, the pack has performed well. How else do you explain being second in the table? (Above the 'wonderful' Saints pack).

Wire have a good pack but no half backs. Even more fundamental than props. When they clicked they did for Leeds twice, just like us.

I'm expecting a win on Friday. Powell has done well recently. No worries about him at all.

Im not attacking your posts on purpose I promise



Agree with what you are saying but at the same time we are 2nd from a pool of teams that doesn't have much class to it. It's all relative I.e you can only play what's in front of you but what happened to wanting to be more than just the best in the league?

FWIW looking at it from a SL perspective I don't think we need a major overhaul to be the top side again. Leeds were in a similar position during our double season and they've made massive improvements since then with only a small number of changes/additions.

At the same time I can see why there's a lot of frustration out there. Some of the players might be good enough for SL but in the grand scheme of things they aren't that good. Wigan fans aren't fools they've seen truly great players and teams and they know this crop isn't a vintage one

No problem. It'd be a strange old world if everyone agreed with me!

I often wonder just how much we have missed Sam. We were treated to some individual brilliance in practically every game he played for us, often winning games from nowhere. I think in a winning team based around Sam, Lockers, Bateman, Faz, Joel, MMc, Williams, Gelling and Josh that some of the more ordinary players start to look decent.

Leeds carried the likes of Bailey and Kirke for years after all. I would like to see a top class prop (wouldn't we all?) but I'm hoping that Sam will have us on the edge of our seats again. Great players are few and far between, but they make all the difference.

Have to say, watching Sam in the NRL (even in the last couple of games where he's actually been pretty good), I do have some doubts. Sure, NRL defences are tougher, but I fear he has lost that half a yard of pace since he was in SL. And his virtual refusal to run kick returns back (inevitably handing the ball off to one of his wingers) doesn't bode well. If I was his coach,I'd want to know WTF he was doing there!

Now if he could stow one of those bright young Warriors forwards in his hand baggage, Charlie Gubb, say, or Sam Lisone...

Undoubtedly we've missed Sam. He's a once in a generation type player and there's only a few players in the game who'd have filled such a massive gap.

That being said I don't think he's going to complete our side in one swoop. We desperately need another prop as we just can't compete upfront.

Tomkins is clearly playing under instruction in relation to his kick return plays. He has 2 man mountains on the flanks and is being used much more as a roaming half for the Warriors, getting in at the PTB, directing the team around the park then providing the link as the second receiver on both sides of the field.

I don't believe he will be used this way for us, at least I hope not.

To be fair he used to hand the ball to Charnley/Richards rather than return it when playing for us. I don't have a problem with it to be honest, the wingers are more likely to win the collision, find the floor and get a quick PTB. Let's give him the ball on our terms rather than have him getting munched by forwards chasing the kick

Well, I hope you are both right about Sam! We shall see. I agree he's being used as an auxiliary half by the Warriors, and now with SJ out has to take more responsibility.

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If we'd known it would take someone trying to stand on his hand for Mossop to find his balls, Wane could have done it at the start of the season.

Have to say, you completely reversed the forward bullying from the last game. I thought you
forwards were excellent as they had the bit between their teeth. I'm a big fan of Clubb. Whenever I've seen him play he's difficult to put down and has that aggressive side in defence.

Well played tonight, it could have been more as well, thank goodness you didn't break the 30 barrier.

It's between you and Leeds and possibly Huddersfield with an outside chance. If your forwards play like that as collective, you have every single chance of turning Leeds over, Especially when Micky Mac comes back.

Good luck for the rest of the comp and make sure stains don't get anywhere near it!

Same again - with honourable exceptions for Bateman and Clubb.