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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"LMS has signed for Saints, Burgess is average at best. Lima is only one year younger than Fielden.
And you think Coley is better than Fielden
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2010&hp1=420&hs2=2010&hp2=29&stat=tries&season=2010[/url
Never has been, and never will be.
Was I right about the South Stand?'"
Shame about him signing for saints, Burgess was just a example of a young prop but then again we have o'carrol and prescott
coleys better for the money but next year that should change with fielden coming to the end of his contract yet too see lima played sorry did'nt know his exact age and no yes South stand lol
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| Quote ="inside_man"We have long term replacements.
They are called Lee Mossop and Ben Davies, so would you like them to be 2 of our front line props next season?'"
Good point, yet to see Davies play but Mossop is immense prospect wish we could get james graham he tore morley apart on saturday
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| Quote ="loyal18"Good point, yet to see Davies play but Mossop is immense prospect wish we could get james graham he tore morley apart on saturday'"
You not watch fridays game?
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What's that got to do with Fieden and or Coley staying?
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What's that got to do with Fieden and or Coley staying?
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Thats show how heavily relied on Graham is
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Thats show how heavily relied on Graham is
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"What's that got to do with Fieden and or Coley staying?'"
Not sure why he's put that up. Similar tackles, Fielden has missed less, but just doesn't take the ball in as much (but lets be honest, who does).
Can someone who can be bothered work out the metres per carry, looks pretty close to me.
[size=50P.S. in no way am I saying Fielden is as good as Graham, just before the trolls come.[/size
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| Quote ="Smalls"You not watch fridays game?'"
Yeh
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"What's that got to do with Fieden and or Coley staying?'"
Nowt Graham is immence and fielden if good/avrage Graham is on less money i wonder if we offered graham fieldens wage he would come to us
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| Quote ="loyal18"Nowt Graham is immence and fielden if good/avrage Graham is on less money i wonder if we offered graham fieldens wage he would come to us
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How do you know Fieldens and Grahams salaries?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"How do you know Fieldens and Grahams salaries?'"
We paid alot for fielden so his is obv alot and isnt graham a saints homegrown player so im presumeing his wage isnt anywhere near fieldens
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| Quote ="loyal18"We paid alot for fielden so his is =#FF4000obv alot and isnt graham a saints homegrown player so i=#FF4000m presumeing his wage isnt anywhere near fieldens'"
So you don't know.
And neither do I
It'll be interesting too see what happens when Graham comes off contract next year, as it will with Eastmond.
Good British players will become "more valuable" as the quota regulations come into play.
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| In the paper yesterday it stated Pryce was Saints best payed player.
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| Quote ="loyal18"We paid alot for fielden so his is obv alot and isnt graham a saints homegrown player so im presumeing his wage isnt anywhere near fieldens'"
Yes we did pay a lot for Fielden but that does not mean he is on more than Graham.
Yes he is one of our top earners but Graham will be one of Saints top earners to.
I do however think we are moving away from what I.L. said he wanted. I know so far its 3 out 3 in but feel that should be enough imports for this year i want to see the day we field 13 British players and just 4 overseas players in our team every week. That should be part of the Wigan way.
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| Quote ="Andy Greg"Yes we did pay a lot for Fielden but that does not mean he is on more than Graham.
Yes he is one of our top earners but Graham will be one of Saints top earners to.
I do however think we are moving away from what I.L. said he wanted. I know so far its 3 out 3 in but feel that should be enough imports for this year i want to see the day we field 13 British players and just 4 overseas players in our team every week. That should be part of the Wigan way.'"
I thought what he said was Wigan lads with the odd world class talent in there?
At the same time though, I can see what you mean, but I also don't think that there is a prop ready to step up on a consistent basis (although Davies isn't far away), a HB partner for sam (or FB) anytime soon.
However I still maintain that we have only gone for Hoffman because he's available, and he's a talent we couldn't miss out on.
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| I know this is a bit O/T here but i have this funny gut feeling that next year with 3 of MM old clubs players coming in it might have an unsettling effect on the team as a whole. I do hope i am wrong but we will have to see i would not feel the same if it was 3 players from different clubs but 3 from the same could end up with a little favoritism towards them which has not been shown this year.
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| AG you may be right but I doubt it.
We have brought in three players who Madge knows well. The systems we are using are those used by Melbourne, so I'm expecting the players to settle into the playing patters relatively quickly.
We haven't been afraid to drop players who have under performed this season, I expect the same thing to apply next.
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| what about wood from warrington
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"what about wood from warrington'"
Too old.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Not sure why he's put that up. Similar tackles, Fielden has missed less, but just doesn't take the ball in as much (but lets be honest, who does).
Can someone who can be bothered work out the metres per carry, looks pretty close to me.
[size=50P.S. in no way am I saying Fielden is as good as Graham, just before the trolls come.[/size'"
Here you go:
James Graham - ~ 6.85 metres/carry
Stuart Fielden - ~ 7.09 metres/carry
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| Fielden and Coley both need to be signed up. They have both played a big part in our success so far this season.
Fielden is superb for the way we play because he is a tackling machine and with us commiting so many men to every tackle he has done the work that not many other players could shoulder imo. This is a side of the game which isnt noticed by many people because he gets called far too often. He has had a couple of stinkers with the ball in hand imo but on one of them he was targetted and didnt really have any back up against a big pack. Coley got sent off for an idiotic tackle and probably cost us any chance against Wire so he isnt exactly faultless.
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| Quote ="Steve Ella's Beard"Here you go:
James Graham - ~ 6.85 metres/carry
Stuart Fielden - ~ 7.09 metres/carry'"
Cheers fella.
Surely those stats show how good Fielden could be in a good pack, take the pressure of his shoulders and surely those stats will improve.
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| Quote ="Baked Bean Boogie"what about wood from warrington'"
Maybe 5 years ago but not now, I know you like Nick Scruton and I do too, I wouldn't mind us signing him.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Cheers fella.
Surely those stats show how good Fielden could be in a good pack, take the pressure of his shoulders and surely those stats will improve.'"
Graham also often acts as a ball player in the line, with short passes rather than drives, which I assume would affect this stat?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Graham also often acts as a ball player in the line, with short passes rather than drives, which I assume would affect this stat?'"
Don't get me wrong, in no way am I saying Fielden is better than Graham, i'd have Graham in the team ahead of Fielden every day of the week, but I was just making a point that the stats show Fielden is still a good prop.
I feel Graham passes the ball a bit too often now, when he started to do it it often caught defences off guard but now he seems to do it on a regular basis that its often planned for.
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