Blake Green gone - replaced by a kid.
Sam Tomkins gone - replaced by Calamity Bowen.
Shaun O'Loughlin injured. Average replacement.
Joe Burgess leaving - less committed
Matty Smith - Not having a decent stand-off is exposing him as an average player
Josh Charnley - Going through a bad spell. Not worth his place.
Liam Farrell - As above.

That's around half the starting side that isn't up to it at the moment. Little wonder we cant live with even average sides at the moment.

Fridays woeful Wigan performance was one of the worst i have ever seen your club put in during the SL era, Although I thought that we were outstanding and you copped the backlash for our recent defeats

IMO Wigan are far too reliant on O'Loughlin and he sadly has a body that isn't up to the rigors of week to week footy and clearly misses more games than he plays, Is his retirement imminent?

Charnley looked like a turnstile in defense and i lost count of the number of tackles that he missed, Your fans were rating him as one of the worlds best wingers not so long ago, He's not fit to lace Carney,Makinson or Hall's boots

Something clearly isn't right at your club presently and it urgently needs sorting out, I suspect that your players resent the control freak that is Shaun Wane?

You must have missed the Ian Millward era.

You had some shocking performances under Millward's stewardship just as we did



You also had some shocking ones in 2005 too like when the Whino's beat you 70-0

That was also under Millward's stewardship! As was the 75-0 against Saints the week after.

That was a bad era then

10 months is hardly an era.

it felt like 1

Love the reference to Saints failing to sell tickets for the GF - clearly no memory of the Wigan end at Murrayfield when you thought you'd lose. Still that's the beauty of sport.

I think there were 3 instances last year which are now coming home to roost. Firstly Wane's comments before the Cas cup match fired them up and they showed how to beat you.

Then Nathan Brown really wound him up after the DW match even to the surprise of Saints fans. It also subtly or perhaps not began to put pressure on referees.

Finally who ever let the Sky documentary be made and then Flowers melt down sealed what's happening now. Teams are facing up to the aggression and Wigan's discipline is letting them down.

However you're good enough to change the plan eventually and bounce back. Still expect to see you in the play offs......

Well, Cas' were in the lower division for much of it (2005).

I and most other Cas fans never expected that. For most of the game we were wondering if we could hold onto the lead and couldn't believe it when the lead kept stretching. have watched RL for over 60 years now and its hard to recollect a Wigan team in recent years that have been so devoid of attacking ideas. 2 of our tries did come from lucky bounces but you are sadly lacking leadership without lockers.

When SW believed he was supercoach.

SW having a whinge? Quote Wigan have started the past few seasons slowly with Wane admitting it wasn't an acceptable situation: "To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. "It's not an acceptable situation but it is what it is, we recruit the way we have because I like certain players playing a certain way and sometimes that has a knock on affect but the way we've started this year, even though it's not much different to last year and the year before, when Wigan lose people get more stressed than any other club."'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1

SW having a whinge? Quote Wigan have started the past few seasons slowly with Wane admitting it wasn't an acceptable situation: "To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. "It's not an acceptable situation but it is what it is, we recruit the way we have because I like certain players playing a certain way and sometimes that has a knock on affect but the way we've started this year, even though it's not much different to last year and the year before, when Wigan lose people get more stressed than any other club."'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1

Quote ="MattyB"SW having a whinge? www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1'" Waney better have a word with Lenagan about the size of the forwards because he seems under the impression that the signings of Tautai and Patrick have fixed that. I'm just glad somebody has come out and admitted we're still tiny, I thought my eyes were going!

Quote ="MattyB"SW having a whinge? www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1'" Waney better have a word with Lenagan about the size of the forwards because he seems under the impression that the signings of Tautai and Patrick have fixed that. I'm just glad somebody has come out and admitted we're still tiny, I thought my eyes were going!

It may be Waneys eyes that are going if he thought that the signing of Tautai and Patrick would add size to the pack.

could it be that top aussies can earn big bucks in oz now whereas previously top aussies would go to wigan or saints etc to win trophies ,now with wage capping top players stay in oz

Not all top players are Australian. Lots of brits have moved around in the last couple of years that would massively improve Wigan. Lots of Australians too, who whilst perhaps not big names would improve Wigan. I remember Rogues saying Walsh was no good and never takes the line on etc.

I also reckon one of your biggest issues is at hooker (particularly with limited or very young halves) but wane has too much of a mickey mac crush to notice.

It would be fascinating to know who signs players at Wigan and how close to full cap you are.

I watched Penrith v the Bulldogs last night and James Segeyaro scored a fantastic try. What a fine footballer he is. Nails, too. How we could do with someone like that.

Nah, he's just a "scooter hooker" isn't he . . . . .?

Stick to tackling and penalties, none of this fancy dan running the ball or scoring and creating tries.

Are Wigan spending full cap? or near it? serious question

dont think so, Il said he always leaves a bit spare just in case

If we are I would be very concerned, as there would of been some serious mismanagement there and overvaluation of some player as some are simply not good enough for a top team

That's quite some statement. Who do you think is "simply not good enough"?

At present we are struggling, but the squad is made up of proven quality players who are just going through a run of poor form (eg. Josh, Faz) or youngsters who have the potential to be top players.

It is likely that some of our signings like Tony Clubb and Dan Sarginson for example are on really low wages.

The only player on top money who maybe isn't worth it, is Bowen. But he has proven his quality in the NRL. We have taken a punt on him but it hasn't worked out. These things happen. Personally I'm glad the club got him even though he has generally (though not always) been poor. His tries against Catalans and Cas will live in the memory.

That's the same for all clubs though and Wigan for all our faults have a fantastic junior set up, which is where the future lies. Last year the club spent 300k on junior development.