We signed him from Leeds academy so does it count?

Dunno. My understanding was that we'd signed him from our own Academy. Could easily be wrong.

And H is from Salford but the point that is being made is they've all come through Wigan's system.

Isn't Mossop i big hard Cumbrian just like myself

he is indeed

No we didn't, he was signed from Queens ARLFC in Leeds.

You sure?

Yes, he's been at Wigan since he was about 16.

Does it for me. Leave him on the list.

And me

Im surprised there hasnt been any Leeds fans on here yet telling us how they have 29 homegrown players in their starting 13

Right on the first count, and on the second whilst I think everyone in RL already knows how fantastic our supporter base is (in every sense), if you feel the need to start a thread on it, be our guest!

It counts. He's come through the academy, its not like we're doing a Warrington in poaching other SL clubs youngsters.

Thats like saying we produced Paul Deacan or Terry Newton because they came from Wigan but not through the academy.

The RL rules state something along the lines that a club must have 8 club trained players in their squad of 25.
They should soon make that 8 club trained players in the match squad of 17.
Plenty clubs are up to that now so it would push the others along to improve the player pool in SL. No 8 in the 17 from 2015 then no licence!
Whilst they are at it perhaps they should go back to the old rule whereby a club could only sign one player a year from outside their own service area.
That would stop certain clubs in their tracks!

Think we touched a nerve with Paul the Warrington fan

obviously we can't celebrate our brilliant youth system because we lost last weekend

Any Warrington win whatsoever immediately negates anything positive we can say about Wigan. Oh, how depressed am I?

The past 2 years we have won 2 under 20 grand finals, one first team grand final and the challenge cup. 11 of our home grown players have cemented their place in our best starting 13 and 6 of those have made it into the England squad.

The past 2 years Warrington have won 1 challenge cup And have (off the top of my head) 2 home grown players in their strongest 17 None of whom are in the England squad.

But they beat us by 2 points last weekend so obviously it's not worth talking about

He's far too sensible to have played for Queens.

Did MM not come from Stanningly?

He played for Stanningley at some point, however I think his last amateur club was Queens. It would certainly explain his temperament in his early years.

out of our 19 for friday we have

Ben Jones-Bishop
Kallum Watkins<he signed for leeds when he was 16 from salford but he also came through our junior academy system> what is the cut off point?

Ryan Hall<played for our academy as well as oulton raiders,but home produced>
Rob Burrow
Paul McShane
Carl Ablett
Kevin Sinfield (c)
Lee Smith
Chris Clarkson
Richard Moore <started out in the rhinos academy>
Liam Hood
Stevie Ward

great to see for the sake of rugby in general. Wire, Stains, Leeds and Wigan all have great youth systems and it's the quality that's being churned off these conveyors that will stand all for clubs in good stead in the future.

Its a bid odd that Leeds can somehow count Richard Moore though. Even if we can, it doesn't feel right.

It seems that SL sides are gradually realising that overseas signings aren't the way forward, and from what I've seen the current crop of British backs across SL is far better than it has been for a long time. What I'm liking is seeing lads with size as well as pace.

A couple of years ago I was at a hotel where the NSW squad was staying, and we shared a buffet with them - all huge blokes, right across the team. At the end of that same season I passed Mark Calderwood and Lee Smith coming out of a (cr*ppy) hotel in Brisbane and I couldn't believe how weedy they looked in comparison. It was seriously hard to believe that Lee Smith would be facing Greg Inglis in the real world.

Whilst Tony Smith messed up with GB, I have to say I felt some sympathy for him simply on the basis of the players he had available. Thankfully the likes of Hall, Watkins and Charnley at least look like they wouldn't wet themselves at the thought of facing the Aussies.