We don't know exactly what has gone on, don't forget.

Lets' try not to guess/presume.

I appreciate your concern for my well being



I don't wander around Warrington Town Centre on a Saturday night trying to play the good samaritan all I'm saying is I would rather intervene than stand back and watch someone get hurt. I understand that it may not be the best option all the time, however the times it has happened, which are few and far between, there hasn't been the opportunity to get proper help

I'm sorry to hear that alot of the time the wrong person does end up injured or worse however alot of the time it's better for a woman to step in as they're more likely to be able to diffuse the situation. Men (no offence to 99% of people on this board) tend to make things worse!

I still stand by the fact that anyone who steps into a probably booze fuelled situation without training in how to help (ie the police) and without knowing the context of what has occurred previously is taking a very big risk.

Its not about not caring or not wanting to help its about common sense - and at the end of the day what help are you going to be to anyone if you have been stabbed/beaten up etc etc yourself, and you just make the job for the professionals even harder when they arrive.

Its a sad fact of life, that sometimes its better to walk away man woman, whatever.

I understand where your coming from, but i still think its best to leave them to it. Especially as it seams everyday some poor sod has been stabbed, slashed, shot, over almost nothing.

It will be "ban central" in both forums, it seems bith sets if fans target the other as neither can have a pop at Saints at the minute, although you have actually beaten them since Take That reformed.

ive read all the posts following this , and most seem to agree with me.

however......theres always going to be someone ( like yourself), who has to interfere ( do gooders i call em).

do what others have suggested....get proffessional help, but walk away , or one day you may get caught up in summat you cant handle.

like the 2 wire players should have walked away and left it.

no iam sorry never walk away thats why this country is in a mess to many people walking away.

Its not about walking away its about being sensible and getting proper help not jumping in feet first and possibly a) making the situation worse and b) risking your life.

You can't help anyone when your dead is a sad but true way to look at it.

How often do we hear about "have a go heros" ending up being the victim of there wish to be able to change things? Is it really worth that risk? I am all for calling for help (and in most town centres at night as much use as they may or may not be bouncers and/or police are never really going to be that far away!) and offering help if its safe to do so but especially in booze fuelled events the risks are massive.

Perhaps you would like to see the scars i got when i did not walk away?

In the event that I was in need of help if this scenario came up, I would hate to think that people would just walk past and leave me in the sh11t.

Speaking from personal experience (and i was on a jury in a murder case along these lines too) its a very hard call.. I hope i never have to make the decision again, and i hope that if i'm in the poop someone would help me...

THANK YOU, I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTED YOUR POMPOSITY VERY WELL, AS DOES YOUR RESPONSE, NO OFFENCE BUT you did place your high morale fibre up there to be sniped at.

oh and

back at yah!

i think on the larger question of "do you get involved" is a personal one.

would you walk by if a man was hitting a child or old lady?

does that differ from two grown men fighting?

is it a judgement call or should you walk past every time?

what if you walk by and later find some one dies due to your lack of interventions?

do gooder, busy body or drunk idiot, the outcome dictates that. in one case you could end up the hero in another you could end up in jail both through *getting involved*

society however reflects peoples desire to get involved, if every one walked by crime would increase and thugs would rule the streets!


just a thought

In each situation it has to come down to "self preservation" and if your at any risk by intervening then imo its not worth physically getting involved - but of course that doesn't stop you trying to get help and if the attacker runs off helping look after the person and letting the police know whats happened.

On your point of "what if you walk past and someone dies", what if you intervene and you end up dying? I am sure your family would rather they didn't have to remember you for bravely/stupidly stepping in to help a stranger and losing your life for your attempt.

The problem is, especially in a town centre at night when situations are likely to be drug/booze fuelled is you don't know what the fight is over, you don't know what weapons people may be carrying or how people will react to your attempts. In a perfect world you would be able to go up and help people without there being a risk involved but we don't live in that perfect world and if someone is already in such a state where they would happily attack one person then what is going to stop them turning on someone else?

Thoughts about what you might do are all well and good, untill you are faced with such a situation... I'm not sure i would help anyone again... and that does not sit easily with me... The courts just don't punish people hard enough for affray/drunk and disorderly.

i think that's a bit sad, no offence, buy if every one behaved like that we would live in a sorry world.

if you take that to another level, no one would join the army and we'd be talking with german accents!

The difference is that those in the army are trained in how to be as safe as possible. Joe Bloggs isn't and by stepping in could well make the situation even worse.

As I said earlier the first rule of first aid/emergency response is to check for danger and if a situation puts you in danger the advice is not to enter.

believe me I will do anything I can to help people but not if that is going to put my life at risk.

I know someone who interviened and died, left a wife and 7 year old.

Also some of those kids who have been stabbed, stepped in, and ended up on a slab. Its best to walk on by especially when drink is involved.

On a saturday afternoon if some granny is getting mugged, of course you help, that goes without saying, but when its some goons on a friday night, walk on by, better than having your head used as a football.

You are a known tool, fact.

i believe attitudes prevail today that will eventually result in this country becoming lawless and crime ridden (some ones sure to say it already is). it's just an opinion but i truly believe that eventually everyone will walk by and peoples stories of knowing some one slain unlawfully will become more frequent.

very sad indeed!

, rationalising it in first aid terms is fine however what if it's your mum. btother etc. that's being attacked

therefore it's fair to asume it's always some ones mum,dad, brother .............walk on by! next time it may even be you!

Like has been said it has to be taken on a case by case situation when you are there but if someone is attacking one person what makes you think they won't turn on the person who is trying to play hero?

If it was me I wouldn't want anyone else putting there life at risk, if I survived and that person died as a result of trying to help I would be guilt ridden for life.

Its all well and good saying "its someones brother etc etc" but the person who steps in and gets killed is also going to be someones brother etc etc.

i think i'm trying to say, don't always look at the smaller picture, i wouldn't expect you to risk your own life, but if every one turns a blind eye or walks past eventually thugs and bullies prevail, the analogy i made about talking german reflects the fact that in the 30's the majority walked past untill it was too late! any way lets just hope iy's me that's walking past when your getting battered rather than the other way round because i'd stop and help you even though your a pie man

I'm not I am looking at the bigger picture hence being able to see jumping in feet first isn't always the best way to help out in a situation!!


And from your last line your asking for a beating