Indeed, very fine people on both sites

I think there’s a world of difference tbh between here and RedVee. Maybe not so much between the independent Wigan board and RedVee but you wouldn’t get away with some of the abuse that just seems common place over there if you did it on here. There isn’t as much animosity on here towards St Helens as a club for starters. I generally find people respect Saints as a team and club and whilst there is always banter and always a healthy dislike of all things St Helens, you don’t get anywhere near as much of the ‘scum, thugs, inbreds’ talk towards St Helens as you do the other way round. I’ve seen a couple of comments on there recently that I’ve never seen the like of on here or if I have they’ve been very quickly removed by mods.

I’ll call things as I see them, I’m not afraid to praise other clubs when I see fit and if I think a team is better than ours I’ll say it, so I don’t think I’m looking at things through overly biased eyes. The two boards are very different IMO.

I'm all for rivalries & truly think that they are the biggest strengths of the game. People know Wigan Vs Saints etc and will watch.

That being said, it's bad that fans (on both sides) can't see see both clubs are in the same boat. Look at the young player of the year award as a perfect example. I've seen loads of derision from smaller clubs that all 6 nominees are from the four big clubs. Instead of saying well that's the benefit of investing in youth, fans on both sides have ripped in and said certain players aren't as good as their equivalent teams counterparts.

Beat me to it
Some similarities in a couple of areas, but the level of nastiness is on another level.
It's a very myopic in its view point (as NK says much like our other board), and I muc prefer to, what IMO is a much healthier stance, invite either opinions/views from other clubs.
Now there is a fine line, but the contributions we get from a few wire fans, Leeds fans, and the odd contribution from hull/hudds/wakey and occasionally Leythers is most welcome, I wish there was more in fact

NK/Jukesays are you just ignoring the cretins/incred/idiots/retards comments on here then?

Things have gone further than that over there. As I say a couple of comments I’ve read on there within the last couple of months have been pretty shocking.

I don’t see many of those comments on here either tbh (apart from me calling Terry O’Connor retarded but that’s factual) but I’m not saying they don’t happen or that there isn’t an issue with that. I’ve seen yourself get comments thrown at you without any great reasoning behind it and that’s not right. I’d love for more opposition fans to come on here and over reasonable opinion. I’ve never seen a level of abuse aimed at you or any other opposition fan on here that I have on there. I’m not blaming St Helens as a club for that and as I say I have a healthy respect for St Helens. It’s an independent board and therefore it seems to lose an ability to accept outsiders. We have our own version but I think they’re too busy criticising Wigan themselves to bother with opposition fans.

There’s definitely not a very warm welcome given to “outsiders” on redvee. But as I’ve mentioned previously it’s probably because we have “suffered” in the past with a couple of whoppers and now everyone is prematurely tarred with the same brush.

As I say, I can’t deny there’s some moronic venom spouted on that site. But it’s naive for anyone to think this place is much different.

I haven't seen any posts accusing someone of being a rather vile human being on here, but rogues is regularly given that 'treatment' on redvee.

Debate with other fans is great (and is why although we are the bigger rivals, I would rather discuss rugby with a Saints fan than a Wire fan because you usually can whereas a Wire fan just brings out the "wigan scum" line) but it doesn't seem to happen over there.

Do you honestly think that they are in the same quantity though?
Do you think that some of the posters comments on Red Vee should be tolerated by the mods or would be on here?

I think Red Vee and the other Wigan site are somewhat similar, and because of it is dying a death.

Saying that, some of the Wigan fans Facebook posts are horrible, I'm sure english is not their first language!!

You know what tho, if you look at it from their POV then I kinda get why they are so prickly.

I'm not condoning what they say, but no Wigan fan is going to the trouble of registering for that platform to use it in the way it was intended I.e a gathering of Saints fans to talk about the Sainrs. They aren't looking for the opinion of Wigan fans on how the ref was last night, or don't need someone going on there to say Singleton is better than X, Y or Z etc. That's not what they signed up for, or want - that's what this place is for.

I'd say, just leave them to it.

To answer your first question, probably not no. But two or three on here constantly churn out abuse towards redvee posters and Saints fans in general and nothing is said.

As for the question about it being tolerated on here, that would depend who is saying it. If it was a Wigan fan it would be ignored, if it was me I’d be banned for life.

Mate, you've probably had enough of me for one weekend but you're way off with this. You would not get away with calling someone a paedo on here, let alone several different people as a constant refrain! You mention the 6 finger inbreds comments on here. That's accepted terminology on there. It's not right in either case but saying a couple of comments on 1 thread is "the same" as the constant diatribe is like saying all crimes are the same regardless of severity or context. There is a sig on there that says I f*cking hate Wigan". Try putting that in your sig on here, see what happens.

There is literally no comparison. Your trying to justify it is just as bad.

As of the last time I checked I was free to read and comment on any publicly available forum. They are free to post what they like. I am equally free to ridicule any nonsense.

RG has a signature calling Saints “perennial cheats.” Is that worse than saying you hate Wigan?

And I am not trying to justify anything. YET AGAIN you are twisting my words. I am not defending anything that is said on redvee at all. What I’m saying is you find lots of insults on here too. Yes people implying things about RG is wrong and worse than anything I’ve seen on here. Again I’m not defending those comments or comparing them to a specific comment on here to see which is worse. I am simply saying there are similar amounts of abuse, insults,etc on both sites.

Literally nowhere have I tried to “justify” anything. So please, if you want to keep picking me up on stuff then stick to what I’ve actually said and not what suits your agenda.

Ok mate, just don't cry if they throw some choice words your way.

It's the equivalent of sitting in the Saints end on GF in full Wigan kit and complaining about what you get called (or worse).

Chicken and the egg as to who's at fault there imo.

Perhaps his son not being signed by Wigan.

As usual your signature undermines your credibility..... You are also pretty good at pretending that you don't understand the offence (or irony).

However as you know you have posted some very offensive stuff (& rightly had a temporary ban). It is that stuff that means reasonable posters have given up defending you.

Anyway on the topic both sites will always be tribal and the other side enters at peril. However in general well reasoned points are taken as offered. Persistent wind ups perhaps not - RG nor playing the "victim".

Best GF match up we could have wished for & hopefully you will have something else to feel aggrieved over after it (joke....).

My sig is factual, the perennial maybe a bit ott.
The bit about Saints shirts for sale was actually taken from an advert placed by someone in the St. Helens Reporter, not me btw.

What offensive stuff have I had a temporary ban for?
I think you need to check with your mods.

I await your reply? If you're going to make an accusation please back it up.
And if you don't know your own clubs history then that's hardly my fault is it?

We are going to see an influx of 'Redvee-ites' coming on this forum now, what have you done Brian?

Don't worry MattyB I've no intention after this of posting any more on here.

Anyway RG, instead of playing the victim on here, how about asking those questions on Redvee (surprise, surprise you've already been there this morning) or answering the following:-

How many times have you been banned and for what?
What facts support the "original and perennial cheats" claim?

Sorry the rest of you but some of Redvee traffic on here is driven by RGs obsession with that board.

Go well on Friday (but not too well!).

So him calling Saints cheats allows you to call him a paedo. Seems some pretty strong logic.

Ignore them Rogues they are just looking to get a rise out of you

That's disgusting how's he got away with posting that

It's a safe bet you'll have an influx after the GF, regardless of what Rogues' has posted on Redvee, and none will be either complimentary, or congratulatory.

Please take that back as I haven't called him anything - others have admittedly - and have only ever asked RG polite questions which he ignores. Just as he is now ignoring offering the reasons that he's received bans.

I think you need to see through the victim game he plays relentlessly.