Hahahahaha. Like I said, I don't pretend not to hate Wigan. I'm still capable of being grown up about it. The only people trolling, derailing and throwing insults are the Wigan fans on here.

It was obvious today that Clarke was a better player, I showed that for all of this season so far, by every available metric, Clarke is significantly better. You brought medals into it, & unnecessary, classless, personal insults. Are you related to your coach?

The cap wouldn't apply to Powell.

I was bringing to the table, in a between the lines kind of way that McIlorum is proven(as Roby has done), by what he had achieved. Clarke is a beltin player, but if he never wins anything stats that you quoted don't really matter. By all means bring this back in August, or October.
And as for personal insults, I'm not going to sit back and let you call me crazy.

Sometimes there are great players at clubs that haven't won silverware though. I get what you're saying about certain players being "proven" but it's unfair to judge a player based on what their team have won.

Where the hell as 10 cc come from?

The guy is mad.

Cas and Warrington agreed a deal for cas to buy him back. This is 100% from a Cas director.

Clark could not agree a deal with Cas as Cas wanted to put in his contract that he could not leave to a Superleague club and only NRL. Clark declined so moves on to Warrington. All 100% accurate.

Probably the most reasoned post on this thread.
All three are great rugby league players, and there is no doubt that on Saturday McIlorum had a poor game.
My thoughts are that when McIlorum has a good game, and he has had quite a few this season already, his style of play is what is more likely to help us beat the Aussies. I Like Clark and Roby has been a top player all his career but i don't see them frightening anybody at international level, whereas i do feel McIlorum has that x factor that should see him as the England No 9.

According to the warrington Chairman, Clarke has signed for wire and it will be announced in the next 10 days. Replacement for michael Monaghan

This and St Petes post to which you responded are all that is worth reading in this train wreck of a thread

Unfortunately I agree. What started out as a genuine thread has descended into petty squabbling.

McNamara will probably pick Matt Diskin anyway

All of McIlorum's strengths are without the ball. The only thing I would like better than beating up the Aussies is beating them in a series. With McIlorum we have a better chance with the former than the latter. His limitations were cruelly exposed in the WC, his sort of in your face aggression has minimal impact. Talk of frightening the Aussies is comedy gold, that sort of rubbish was spouted before the WC. With our weak HBs we need some flare elsewhere, Roby & Clarke have that in buckets.

Clark (no e) is the best hooker in the league and should be pushing JP all the way for MOS. Roby runs him close but I genuinely believe Clark is better. I didn't realise Micky Mac was playing until he was subbed.

McIlorum and Clark are both completely different types of players, would be the perfect mix playing 40 mins each in a team.

I had to ask the guy next to me which one Clark was.

Didn't notice him at all yesterday.

McIllorum clearly wasn't match fit yesterday (neither was O'Loughlin!), but he still crunched a few of your forwards.

He doesn't have the scooting game of Roby/Clark, but he distributes the ball well from dummy half and sets the tone in defence.

Probably my favourite Wigan player.

MM must be better than Roby as he won the last game between the 2 and was better on the pitch....or is that only for when wigan lose?

Here we go, the old argument that if your team wins then you have automatically "owned" your opponent. Brilliant.

When people enter into a little bit of banter with YG, just keep in mind a post he made on the Cas board, talking about Wane, and all of us....

"He sums up the Wigan club. Horrible, arrogant people who spit their dummies out then things don't go their way.

I'm delighted they lost.
by The Yellow Giraffe"

That's exactly my point and why the stats can tell lies. I also agree Micky Mac and Roby/Clarke would be ideal to play together, much like the KC and Roby combo at saints

I'm not sure what this proves. I've never attempted to hide how I feel. The difference is I can still have reasonable conversations on here. It's everyone else who tries to turn it into a petty row.

There's only me who hasn't resorted to derailing and insults and yet I'm the bad guy apparently.

I've never known such a xenophobic group of people.

Ps my post didn't mention the Wigan fans. Seeing as I have close friends and family who are lifelong Wigan fans you are barking up the wrong tree, again.

Why don't we just stick to the topic instead of you picking fights?

I agree they are very different type of players and this was one of the reasons I started the thread.

We had two different styles head to head yesterday and it'll be interesting to see what McNamara goes for.

I think Roby will be there for sure, but whether he goes for a hooker on the bench or not remains to be seen and if so, would he go for a Clark-type or McIlorum?

thats what you have been getting at all along flower

I haven't at all. I mentioned the "owning" as a tongue in cheek reference to how you lot think McIlorum own Roby simply because Wigan have beaten Saints.

What I've been "getting at" is the current battle for the no.9 jersey for England and what people's thoughts were.

I've never suggested Clark should play for England simply because Castleford won yesterday, flower.

Daryl Clarke is on a different planet compared to Micky Mak IMO
The only thing that Micky brings to the table is his undoubted enthusiasm and aggression
He is well below Roby and Clark

All depends on the speed of the play the ball with Clark to be honest. Don't remember him doing much when we were able to slow them down a bit (although he might not have been on the pitch.. can't remember).