Totally ungrounded. There is nothing in that article that says he has career ending injury or it is likely to be. Lockers will be in a similar position with is knees and we signed Bowen who his club said had knees not up to another season in the NRL.

As usual a player who is leaving has his injury exaggerated and and those staying or coming in with question marks over injuries have theirs played down.

Wigan used to pension players off pretty ruthlessly under Mo (first time round certainly) but they did qualify as ready to go and were often in their 30's such as Ian Potter, another similar and underrated player. H isn't of the pensionable age so I question what the current Wigan way is in that regard. I don't think the same thing is going on here. Later on we even signed Denis Betts back at the same age we are selling H.

We certainly do have a lot of good young players and Burke in particular made a great début and was one I was disappointed not to see more of last season when Lockers was out injured but that doesn't mean there isn't an obvious hole left by H that none f them can easily fill.

I think this is a poor decision and I also don't think the PR put out about his burning desire to play for Salford is anything other than that especially given his comments about staying here earlier in the season. I reckon he would still be here had Wigan offered enough and I don't see why we couldn't as we aren't competing against the NRL here, must have the cap space and players of H's quality are few and far between in our game. If you aren't going to pay players like H a top wage just who are you going to spend that money on?

While I agree with you in spirit, the bit I've underlined is really no more than an assumption designed to suit your argument.

In other words, the club is lying.

How do we know that?

Also, remember that players do PR as well. Hansen told Wigan fans he wanted to stay. Of course he'd say that. But he'd likely say exactly the opposite to the Salford lot ... especially if he learned their valuation of his services was higher than Wigan's.

At the end of the day, his burning desire will be to go where he can earn most money, which would appear to be Salford. I'm not at all happy about that - I consider this a bad loss and I'm disappointed, but we can't just assume - as people on the other site have - that Hansen was the personification of loyalty and desperately wanted to stay.

Fair points, especially re Ian Potter. Lockers however, will play for Wigan until well into his 30s. But that's because he's world class. I suppose that I think you are over rating HH. I don't put him anywhere near the class of Lockers/Sam/Tommy.

Maybe the coaching staff think that it is best to lose HH and get a good deal and give Hughes/Bateman/Hopkins etc more game time and that at least least ONE of them will in fact turn out to be better than HH. And it may happen as soon as this season. It should be fun watching.

So you believe HH 100% because on Wigan TV he said that he would stay here for as long as Wigan wanted him, but IL saying he wanted to leave is PR spin? He was offerred a long-term deal at Wigan and turned it down, he was going to leave at the end of 2014 anyway for free even if IL turned down the transfer fee and made him stay. He's left for more money, that's the bottom line. Koucash has clearly made him an offer which means even a WCC is Oz and a testimonial isn't a big enough draw to stay on for one more season, and Wigan have benefitted financially by getting a large transfer fee for a player who would have left for free in a year's time anyway. You're just, once again, trying to spin a story so you can use it as a stick to beat IL with.

H did not want to leave Wigan.
Wane really did not want him to go.
Rads really did not want him to go.
The team really did not want him to go.
The fans did not want him to go (and H knows this)

Lenagan should not mistake loyalty for stupidity, Wane wanted to offer the money, Lenagan did not, simple.

H has a family and a future to look at after Rugby League and has made a very smart move in my opinion, but I can assure you he is gutted he's leaving. The contract Wigan offered was nothing short of disgusting.

I think it will be interesting to see if peoples views change once they have seen Hopkins and Clubb perform for Wigan.

Hopkins in particular would clearly of been snapped up by other clubs had Wigan not offered him a very good deal in comparison and from what people who have seen him play regularly say he has a very bright future in the game and Wigan have made a great signing.

Having said this I think Hansen is a great signing for Salford and gives their ambition a lot of credibility.

Can't wait for Wigan V Salford - usually a fixture that would raise few eyebrows.

Unfortunately we've only got your word for that.

There's nothing personal intended here, but if some people aren't prepared to believe IL, why should others believe you?

i think we are all used to DaveO's posts by now

you didn't exactly need a crystal ball for that one.....

Nothing personal taken, people can choose to believe whatever they want, but H is a mate and I don't like seeing the personal insults on here and Facebook that his family can see when he put himself on the line for Wigan for 10 years.

Rugby at the top level is a short tenure that could end tomorrow and in my opinion made the right decision.

Hang on. When I have quoted the clubs statements in the past I am told not to believe everything I read (and I am pretty certain by yourself amongst others).

When I now treat this one with such scepticism I am accusing them of lying?

Sorry but you can't have it both ways and you are even doing it yourself here by suggesting I should not believe H's Wigan TV interview but should believe this press release?



I don't think they are assuming loyalty particularly in Josie's case but a desire not to move in the first place. And as to players doing PR, I agree and H isn't likely to say anything negative about joining Salford now he has for this reason. Now the deal is done he may well be settled in his own mind this is a good thing and has bought into it but that doesn't mean that was his starting position.

I agree with you about this being a bad loss and that it is about money. Why we were not prepared to match Salford I have no idea given the dearth of players of H's standard. My view is as H said on Wigan TV, he would stay here as long as he was wanted and I don't think he had to qualify that by saying "but not on a poor wage compared to elsewhere" which you take as read.

I believe had we offered as much he'd still be here so any talk of loyalty to us or desire to play for Salford are both equally spurious issues. It's about money and IL wasn't preprepared to spend it IMO. A mistake I feel.

But we have a salary cap at the end of the day. Salford don't have any players the calibre of Bowen, Charnley or Lockers to pay and don't have a chance of signing any so it comes as no suprise to me that they can offer Hansen a higher portion of cap space than we can. Every player is only worth so much before it's better to take the money than try to match it, otherwise we end up losing players elsewhere who might not be so easily replaceable. As much as I do value Hansen he isn't a player I'd want us to get into a bidding war for at the expense of the squad as a whole

I'm sure he'd love to stay at Wigan for the rest of his career - it's a comfortable environment, he's idolised by the fans, good facilities, good chance of winning silverware etc. Whether Wigan offered him a 'poor wage' or not, I don't know. Naturally his supporters are going to say we did.

But I suspect it's more a case of that old vexed issue about who’s valuation of the player is more realistic. And while I know you’re often intolerant of the explanation that Wigan staff are in a better position to judge than we fans, there’s really no getting away from the truth that they will have a much better angle on his medical condition, his physical longevity, his mental state, his overall contribution in training and on match-day, the potential for him to be replaced quickly etc – and they must base their valuation on that.

Here’s a serious question. If Wigan were in a bidding war with Salford, and Salford offered vastly more than anyone at Wigan thought the player was worth, would you expect IL to continue with the bidding regardless, or to draw a line in the sand?

I’m disappointed that Hansen has gone. But I don’t think there’s much of a mystery here, or that the club are behaving in a particularly Machiavellian way.

Please don't make me laugh.

Wigan will have offered H a contact that was acceptable for a player of his standing in the side. If Salford come in and offer twice as much then it's not up to Wigan to match it.

All this rests on the shoulders of Hansen and no one else. If he really wanted to stay then he'd have stayed. At the end of the day he's been blinded by £ signs and whilst you're correct that he's got a future to look after he's also got a legacy to cement.

There's reasons why some of the Leeds squad took paycuts to remain part of a successfull side.

+1, I guess he thought he had a cupboard full of medals, move on for the cash.

and who can blame him, its a short career.

Strange but I can't see the word "shattered" anywhere in that report. His wrist was of no concern to Wigan and has presumably passed a fitness check with Salford. I don't think we need to rationalise his move by claiming he is too old or too injured. We wanted to keep him, he chose to leave, what's wrong with owning up and saying you wished he had stayed. Or are those who are rationalising going to tell us they had these concerns all along?

No worse than the way Sam left IMO.

Fair point !

To be honest I heard that his wrists were shattered to the point he couldn't lift weights from a fairly reliable source, then that article came out a good few months later which I took as validation that what he was saying was true, then a few months later we sold him and I assumed that was taken into consideration when deciding whether to try to outbid Salford. I'll happily stand corrected if anyone knows that his wrist was of no concern as you say but I'd be very suprised if a wrists injury which he has obviously been told will re-occur was of no consequence to IL and SW

at the end of the day the player was offered a better deal by a rival club, he may not feature in anymore Challenge cup finals, WCC final or Grand finals but Harrison has decided to put his family first and secure a financial reward for his services.

Salford offered him more than we did as they need him more than we do as we have cover for the position (may not be as highly rated as H at the moment but they are young and room for improvement). As a club we do produce a lot of young players that will go on to be SL standard and if we never let experienced players go we can't hope to keep the younger ones as other teams will be able to offer them a higher salary as the Salay Cap doesn't allow teams to horde all the talent.

Good luck Harrison and thanks for all you have done for us since leaving school.

I am finding it difficult to see the issue with this when you look at it logically.
HH has stated to the club that at the end of his contract he won't be signing again for Wigan but seeking a move to Salford. This would mean Wigan wouldn't recieve any money for HH.
So Wigan can let HH go a year sooner and recieve what is probably a large sum, a sum which can be used to put back into the club for either future developments or a new signing.

Can we carry on without HH? Simply put yes. He's been a constant in our rise back to glory, someone who the club has heavily invested in put he plays in area which we have numbers to cover.

So we can let him go now for a fee or hold him for a year and take nothing.

HH has been a good player for us, but he's not a player who can't be replaced, given time.

Personally I'd play Pettybourne in the SR. He's played far more SR than prop in his career. In fact I think the WC was the first time he's played prop.

Bowen
Charnley Goulding Thornley Gelling
Green Smith
Taylor McM Flower
Pettybourne Faz
Lockers

Looks like a strong pack to me. Personally if I was to use HH's money I won't go for another SR, I'd try to strengthen the left edge, I have my concerns about Thornley and Gelling playing together.

HH has a four deal from Salford, would Wigan have ever offered him that length of a contract? He missed the first 13 games last season through wrist problems then was almost ever present only missing v Saints away and HullFC home where he was rested.
As has been said, he'd have left after 2014 and the club not received anything, we let him go now and a considerable fee is paid.
I think his 2nd row spot is between Pettybourne and Clubb. Both have experience but perhaps Eddy is more likely to be used at first as a prop. Clubb played on the right side for London/Quins as both centre and 2nd row. Having been a centre Clubb may pose a more attacking threat down the right side than Pettybourne.
I just feel that Clubb may get the spot. The trial games may indicate the way SW is thinking. Maybe also Burgess could get the 5 spot as he's a real flyer. Having two wingmen with that kind of pace and ability to beat a man is something that will worry opposition teams and their coaches.
We do look strong this year whether we can improve on the league form or get the same number of trophies remains to be seen.
Once again next season will be a season to look forward to.

Has anyone actually ever seen Pettybourne play? Always in the SR, no comparison between him and Clubb when both getting game time.

Whenever else has Pettybourne played prop other than in the WC?

I'm sure he would be good in the 2nd row but its a mute point as Wane has previously said he'll be played at prop.

Clubb could be a relevation for all we know - its hard to quantify the difference it must make to go from the doom and gloom environment at London to a winning, professional culture at Wigan.

I honestly think Wane will use pre season training and the trial games to decide who will play 11 and 5 for that matter.