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| Quote ="twosevenzero"[/u
Obviously, so do you !!!'"
No I prefer to deal with the facts rather than try and make things up because I dont like a player anyway. His post was totally incorrect and had no foundation.
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| Quote ="Big Steve"I think a few people need to take a close look at why we have lost some of our bigger games this season rather than laying the blame on a couple of scapegoats;
1) Both Leeds and Wire we made numerous basic handling and discipline mistakes - resulting in us not having the ball for a very large % of the game. Despite this we still almost beat leeds despite gifting them the majority of our points. If we look after the ball we will score points on anyone.
2) Tommy L - he usually provides the unpredictability up the middle - able to attack the line and causes some uncertainty in the mind of the defence who are probably watching for our 'usual' round the back to Sam. No coincidence that when he's been injured we have looked more predictable.
3) The loss of a number of our props for large parts of the season - highlighted when we played wire last time.
4) Pat injured - again - in big games his partnership with George puts doubt into the defenders mind - something we were lacking when Gelling was filling in.
For those critics who are saying we are far more predictable under Wane:
- look at our points scored record.
- take a look at the posts from last season saying 'we have been found out' in our attacking plays - we were far more predictable at the end of last season.
- look at Finch's play - he has played far better this season than last, better attacking options, better variation - we were totally reliant on his flat pass to Hoffman last season - now he has far more options. Again he has gone off the boil - but he came back too early from injury - again resulting in a loss in a big game , and he has been playing without TL.
- in attack, Sam has been far more creative than last season. Previously he was 100% certain to dummy and try and cut inside - now he has far more variety in his own plays.
Wane hasn't done everything right this year - but he has made us more creative in attack.
How anyone can lay into Goulding for poor defence when playing for 60+ minutes with a man down is beyond me. In attack - I've lost count of the number of flick passes he's put out for Charnley to score - if he had an aussie passport people would be creaming themselves over his attacking play.
Take a hard look at the game rather than looking for scapegoats - there are areas we can improve for sure but a few people here make themselves look pretty silly by selecting individuals.'"
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| My View:
Micky was rightly sent off and cost us the game.
Sam's positioning in defence was worrying.
Our kicking game in the 1st half was shocking.
I am not looking forward to the playoffs.
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| Quote ="Donna"My View:
Micky was rightly sent off and cost us the game.
Sam's positioning in defence was worrying.
Our kicking game in the 1st half was shocking.
I am not looking forward to the playoffs.'"
I agree with the kicking game and red card comments, but do you not think that being a man short forced Sam to alter his positioning? If he stayed back 20 yards behind the line, we'd get caught on the overlap as soon as Saints switched it quickly.
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| Quote ="Famous"No I prefer to deal with the facts rather than try and make things up because I dont like a player anyway. [uHis post was totally incorrect and had no foundation[/u.'"
Sorry, I didn't realise only your opinions are correct.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"Sorry, I didn't realise only your opinions are correct.'"
I backed up what I said which is a damn more than he did. I went through some of the big games where Goulding played well, said why I, and going by the semi MOM poll, the majority of this board did not think goulding was poor in the semi final and provided stats why I thought he had done well this year. This was a damn site more than just the baseless ramblings of a poster that has singled out and made a player a scapegoat for years. Are you actually going to argue a point yourself or do you just prefer to be obtuse.
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| Quote ="Famous"I backed up what I said which is a damn more than he did. I went through some of the big games where Goulding played well, said why I, and going by the semi MOM poll, the majority of this board did not think goulding was poor in the semi final and provided stats why I thought he had done well this year. This was a damn site more than just the baseless ramblings of a poster that has singled out and made a player a scapegoat for years. Are you actually going to argue a point yourself or do you just prefer to be obtuse.'"
Define obtuse ?
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"Define obtuse ?'"
You really excel in one line answers that offer nothing to the thread. You are using the internet, google.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"No he didn't, Childs had decided on the sending off before any interference from Ganson.'"
Not according to Clarkey!
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| Quote ="Famous"[uYou really excel in one line answers that offer nothing to the thread. [/uYou are using the internet, google.'"
It's my forte.
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"It's my forte.'"
Stop telling lies about your age!
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| Quote ="Sweaty Betty's"Not according to Clarkey!'"
Perhaps the 'Rugby Gods' told him
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"Perhaps the 'Rugby Gods' told him
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That rules out Ganson then!
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"It's my forte.'"
Why did you delete the part about google? I thought you were trying to be funny, and deliberately obtuse, but the fact you deleted it makes me think you were being serious
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| Quote ="Famous"Why did you delete the part about google? I thought you were trying to be funny, and deliberately obtuse, but the fact you deleted it makes me think you were being serious
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No, I was being 'obtuse' but edited the post thinking people wouldn't 'get' the irony (apologies for underestimating your intelligence ).
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"No, I was being 'obtuse' but edited the post thinking people wouldn't 'get' the irony (apologies for underestimating your intelligence
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People may or may not of gotten the irony of your post, but we still don't know what you have against Goulding. You seemed to have avoided that issue.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"People may or may not of gotten the irony of your post, but we still don't know what you have against Goulding. You seemed to have avoided that issue.'"
I haven't got anything against Goulding, I haven't made any comment on him, or his performance, what 'issue' have I avoided ?
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"People may or may not of gotten the irony of your post, but we still don't know what you have against Goulding. You seemed to have avoided that issue.'"
He hasn't mentioned Goulding. Im the one who doesn't rate Goulding, and when I have time to explain why seeing as im in work, I will do, however I have more important things to do than explain myself to the almighty Wigan Peer.
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| My mistake, been out and just back in....sorry...
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| Quote ="21-12"He hasn't mentioned Goulding. Im the one who doesn't rate Goulding, and when I have time to explain why seeing as im in work, I will do, however I have more important things to do than explain myself to the almighty Wigan Peer.'"
S'cuse me for taking a week off.....
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| I dont know why people get so uptight about Goulding, its an oponion, I simply dont rate him as a centre, whether people think he's had a good year or not, I think he's a flat footed defender that doesn't pose a huge threat in attack. Josh Charnley scores a hell of a lot of solo tries because of his step and pace, he has the ability to beat defenders and do things off the cuff, the fact he's scored 37 isn't all down to Goulding, far from it. Martin Offiah played outside a hell of a lot of different centre's but still managed to score tries outside all of them. Dont get upset though people, its just MY opinion.
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| I love it when people take the, well it's MY opinion route, even if it is wrong
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| So im wrong because you say so? I take it your Wayne Bennett then are you?
Tell you what, you tell us your opnion on everything about RL and we'll just shut the forum down, your obviously a rugby league genius. Was you interviewed for the Wigan job?
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| Quote ="21-12"So im wrong because you say so? I take it your Wayne Bennett then are you?'"
I'm probably closer to Gary Bennett...
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| Quote ="Coventry Bears"I'm probably closer to Gary Bennett...'"
Id make sure your belt is fastened very tight then if I was you
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