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| Quote ="Odemwingie"He can still to a job at Origin level, he was just poor today.
Agreed Idris should play.'"
I think his best position is in the second row. His defence in the centres is somewhat lacking.
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| Quote ="Boris"I think his best position is in the second row. His defence in the centres is somewhat lacking.'"
are we still on about Gasnier? If so the above is madness.
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| Quote ="Pieman"are we still on about Gasnier? If so the above is madness.'"
I think it may be Idris he is talking about.
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| Quote ="Nick NJ"He'd do more than a job in SL, he's been the outstanding centre in the Nrl this year. He just had an average game today.'"
I said that tongue in cheek, in the vague hope that we somehow end up signing him for next year
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| Quote ="Boris"I think his best position is in the second row. His defence in the centres is somewhat lacking.'"
His positioning is poor but he can learn it. He will only ever be an average SR with some of the class they have in the NRL but he has the potential with his size and pace to be one of the very best centres.
Any poor defence he usually makes up with some big hits and big runs.
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| On form this season, Gasnier is way ahead of Idris, when Idris breaks through it makes you sit up and take notice, but for all round work rate in defence and attack Gasnier is still the main man. If Ricky Stuart asked Cooper to play rep for the remainder of the series, I think the Marroons would have to up a gear.
Come on Billy and Darren!!!
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| Quote ="uglybug"On form this season, Gasnier is way ahead of Idris, when Idris breaks through it makes you sit up and take notice, but for all round work rate in defence and attack Gasnier is still the main man. If Ricky Stuart asked Cooper to play rep for the remainder of the series, I think the Marroons would have to up a gear.
Come on Billy and Darren!!!'"
Who would your drop for Cooper? I assume it won't be Gasnier and Jennings played really well I think. It's a depressing thought though. Gasnier, Jennings, Idris and Cooper would all walk into the England side, and in Maroon you've got the likes of Inglis, Hodges, Tonga and Nielsen. Embarrassment of riches doesn't quite cover it lol
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"Who would your drop for Cooper? I assume it won't be Gasnier and Jennings played really well I think. It's a depressing thought though. Gasnier, Jennings, Idris and Cooper would all walk into the England side, and in Maroon you've got the likes of Inglis, Hodges, Tonga and Nielsen. Embarrassment of riches doesn't quite cover it lol'"
There are players who will never get near Origin level who could make it in the England side. Especially in the outside backs.
For the blues you havn't even mentioned Hayne, Gidley, Lyon etc who have all played over the last few years.
There is not a single outside back who is English who could get near Origin and there is only a couple of overseason outside backs who could get in like Monaghan, Richards, King, and Hodgeson.
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| Quote ="Pieman"are we still on about Gasnier? If so the above is madness.'"
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"His positioning is poor but he can learn it. He will only ever be an average SR with some of the class they have in the NRL but he has the potential with his size and pace to be one of the very best centres.
Any poor defence he usually makes up with some big hits and big runs.'"
He is best learning this before getting put in a Blues jumper. And without a solid defence, any barnstorming runs are not going to make up for it.
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| Quote ="Boris"He is best learning this before getting put in a Blues jumper. And without a solid defence, any barnstorming runs are not going to make up for it.'"
He did alright in the Green n Gold the other week though.
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| Gaz is overrated. Not looked the same player since returning from RU. Idris is far more dangerous, far harder to handle as he causes defended to work harder simply to contain him. I'd like to see Boyd trying to dump Idris on his .
Dugan is a quality 1, but Hayne is something else, a real game winner, he should feature.
QLD have a big advantage as Smith can do 80mins at 9, freeing up a bench spot as no interchange is needed.
Maybe NSW to start with Ennis and have Hayne on the bench. For me Hayne needs to play.
Gotta take my hat off to Matt Scott best prop in the game in my opinion.
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| Quote ="WARRIORCRAIG"He did alright in the Green n Gold the other week though.'"
So? Watch him week in week out for the Dogs and you'll see he is suspect defending in the centres.
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| If the blues want to do anything they need idris / cooper and hayne in the backs for the next games IMO.
Even with them lads in their still nowhere the quality of backs queensland have but need them lads in to even get close for me.
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| Quote ="gerr'emonside"If the blues want to do anything they need idris / cooper and hayne in the backs for the next games IMO.
Even with them lads in their still nowhere the quality of backs queensland have but need them lads in to even get close for me.'"
Hayne has been average all season.
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| Quote ="Boris"Hayne has been average all season.'"
Average FB or average for him?
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| Lockyer is fast catching Andrew Johns as the greatest player i have ever seen.
And IL Jennings would be nice for 2012
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Average FB or average for him?'"
I would say he is playing well below his average. Indeed, his showings have been so hit and miss it is hard to fathom what is wrong with him. He has shown elements of being the great player he indisputable is. However, his performances have been to haphazard for mine.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Lockyer is fast catching Andrew Johns as the greatest player i have ever seen.
And IL Jennings would be nice for 2012
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Johns for me. He made that Knights team of 2001, which was composed of some decent backs but some very average forwards, into a premiership winner side.
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| Quote ="wigan_knight"Lockyer is fast catching Andrew Johns as the greatest player i have ever seen.
And IL Jennings would be nice for 2012
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Lockyer? Couldn't tackle a Sunday dinner let alone a charging RL player. Terrible in defence. Often caught out when the other team is on the attack.
For me a player discussed as the greatest of all time can defend as well as attack.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Lockyer? Couldn't tackle a Sunday dinner let alone a charging RL player. Terrible in defence. Often caught out when the other team is on the attack.
For me a player discussed as the greatest of all time can defend as well as attack.'"
You make it sound like he is Tim Smith in defence
Lockyer for me is one of the greatest players I've seen and I cant believe he is still going.
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| Quote ="Coventry Warrior!"You make it sound like he is Tim Smith in defence
Lockyer for me is one of the greatest players I've seen and I cant believe he is still going.'"
No. Just making a clear observation. How can someone be discussed as the best play of all time when he can't tackle?!
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"No. Just making a clear observation. How can someone be discussed as the best play of all time when he can't tackle?!'"
maybe because he can tackle...and your "clear" observation is incorrect and I suggest [urlhttp://www.specsavers.co.uk/[/url
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Lockyer? Couldn't tackle a Sunday dinner let alone a charging RL player. Terrible in defence. Often caught out when the other team is on the attack.
For me a player discussed as the greatest of all time can defend as well as attack.'"
one of the greatest of all time..end of
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| Quote ="Pieman"maybe because he can tackle...and your "clear" observation is incorrect and I suggest [urlhttp://www.specsavers.co.uk/[/url'"
So which are you; someone who doesn't watch the NRL or someone who is a prize prick?
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