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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Check out Wilkin's stats v SOL's this year (or Hansen's) - I actually think he's very underrated.
Loads of Saints fans think he's rubbish, and most fans of other teams agree.
He's a poor stand off but an excellent back rower.'"
I agree, Wilkin has an excellent kicking game for a back rower. Not a good stand off though.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Check out Wilkin's stats v SOL's this year (or Hansen's) - I actually think he's very underrated.
Loads of Saints fans think he's rubbish, and most fans of other teams agree.
He's a poor stand off but an excellent back rower.'"
No thanks. I think I know who the better player is.
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| Sean O'Loughlin.
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| Quote ="RuddyScoosers"Sean O'Loughlin.'"
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| Quote ="giwildgo"Numerous team achievements don't necessarily make you a good player, see the likes of Bibey, Hargreaves, Mathers, etc, who have won trophies from being in the right place at the right time, rather than being the catalyst for such success. Similarly some of the games top players in RL have won very little because they happened not to play in the best side at the time - the likes of Schofield, Ward, Barrett, etc, won next to nothing in their career, but were standout players of their time.
For what its worth, I think Sinfield is a good (but not great) SL player and an exceptional leader, but I don't think he is talented enough to carry a team on his own and would not have won any of the trophies without being supported by the talents of McGuire, Burrow, Diskin, Senior, Ellis, Peacock, etc. He is the beneficiary of being in a very good side -only Saints had an equivalent depth of talent to Leeds from 2006-2009 - and I think he would appear little above average in most SL sides.
In terms of Sam - given he is only in his second season, has been voted to the Dream Team twice, won the young player of the year in 2009 and was part of the League Leaders in 2010, then I think he has made a good start to his career. Team honours will undoubtedly follow sooner or later and unless he is unfortunate with injuries, I predict that at the end of his career he will have a legacy that surpasses Sinfield due to his superior talent regardless of a positive or negative total trophy comparison.'"
While we are deciding who is great and who isnt whilst disregarding trophy hauls and awards, can I just point out that RL is a team game. Surely no player could win a competition such as Superleague or the play off series on his own whilst carrying the remaining members of the squad due to the length of such competitions.
Sinfield is a good player and an exceptional leader as you say but obviously he cant and shouldn't be responsible for all our recent sucess and any we may have in the future, he can only contribute towards it. He has been in sides winning trophies since 2004, (a 5 year period), bearing in mind cap restrictions and changes to playin rostas then surely this is not a case of being in the right place at the right time.
We can discount the Superleague dream team. Young player of the year 09 obviously down to sams individual tallent. LLS, 2010 did sam single handedly carry your squad towards it or was it a squad effort?
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| Amos roberts had 10 OUTSTANDING games. Dont neccesarily think he should play full back next season for us. Either him, or ben westwood.
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| Quote ="MattyB"news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/super_league/wakefield/8985269.stm
After all that hoo-haa from Hull to Hull KR, then left not long after in strange circumstances, was meant to be the saviour of Wakey....now booted out within six months with no club to go to.
Not being funny, but I've never seen this guy have a good game yet...against anyone!
Looks more like a RL player from the late 70's /early 1980s than a supremely fit SL athlete.'"
Was you not there at the KC Stadium when he tore us to pieces and hull fc won with a score of around 42-6.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Check out Wilkin's stats v SOL's this year (or Hansen's) - I actually think he's very underrated.
Loads of Saints fans think he's rubbish, and most fans of other teams agree.
He's a poor stand off but an excellent back rower.'"
I think Wilkin's problem is the early promise he showed, to then turn into an average second rower, dosnt mean hes crap but he hasnt lived up to his expectation
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| Quote ="cadoo"Cameron Phelps.'"
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| Quote ="RICHARD5LEGEND"Eorl Crabtree'"
What! A fat Robbie Savage??
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| Quote ="Ziggy Stardust"What! A fat Robbie Savage??'"
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| Quote ="cadoo"Cameron Phelps.'"
I'm a fan of Phelps thought he played some good rugby in 2009
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| Quote ="those were the days"Was you not there at the KC Stadium when he tore us to pieces and hull fc won with a score of around 42-6.'"
Was that the year when St Judes would have beaten us?
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| Quote ="Conroy"Was that the year when St Judes would have beaten us?'"
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| John Wilkin/Greg Eastwood.
Given he still plays the game as a pro though the winner of the all time title has to be Robbie Paul.
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| Quote ="jonh"John Wilkin/Greg Eastwood.
Given he still plays the game as a pro though the winner of the all time title has to be Robbie Paul.'"
agree with wilkin, eastwood when he can be d is a real handful. we havnt seen that in SL but down under i always rated him.
modern day i have to say ade gardner. his career has been made on playing outside lyon and gidley. who wouldnt look good ????
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| Quite surprised to see references to Ben Harrison. Not the kind of player to merit a mention either way; not a flashy player at all. In fact, I don't recall him ever receiving any plaudits.
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| Quote ="wiganstu"sinfeild is a contender , hides when the poop hits the fan
worrency at bradford , how is he making a living from this sport ??
james graham is another i dont really get'"
Worrincey is the worst player ever to play super league!
Wilkin is very very overrated.
JAMES GRAHAM OVERRATED!!!!!!! Got to be joke!
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| no joke pal , he's just not my kind of prop
i prefer the morley , fielden , peacock style
only my opinion of course , but i just see JG as a plodder , lets see how he goes in australia
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| Quote ="St pete"Worrincey is the worst player ever to play super league!
Wilkin is very very overrated.
[uJAMES GRAHAM OVERRATED!!!!!!! Got to be joke!'" [/u
St Pete I'd just ignore some of the idiots that post on here
Anyone who thinks he is overrated has either never seriously watched the game, is a complete wind up merchant or is so blinkered that they cant appreciate the quality players other team have
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| Quote ="wiganstu"no joke pal , he's just not my kind of prop
i prefer the morley , fielden , peacock style
only my opinion of course , but i just see JG as a plodder , lets see how he goes in australia'"
As a wigan fan would you really put Fielden in the same league as Morley and Peacock currently
much as I like Fielden at present not in the same class
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