Bang on.

I agree actually.

But its very clear to me we need two props of two different kinds. One enforcer and one of the type you describe to replace the man who was supposed to be doing that job - Stuart Fielden.

I don't know why any SL club continues to be linked with Webb - he won't get a work permit.

Where in my post do I mention our pack being dominant.

I just said that Fielden is a work horse not that he is any good. In a better back we would get alot more out of him.

I am agreeing with you in the sort of prop we need, but we already have a work horse we need an enforcer.

For the red vee dude, seriously you take my post way too literally.

Too be honest

Luke Burgess - possible enforcer of the future
Nathan Cayless - work horse in every area.

would be prefect, Carl Webb, yes but should imagine he'd be offered a higher wage then the other two. If

Sad thing is your probably right

Do you know the difference between a work horse and an enforcer? Please explain.

I will if thats ok?

A workhorse works his butt off making steady meters constantly and gets through a shed load of defence.

An enforcer has an intimadating air around him. likes to put in massive shots and is adept at punching peoples heads in. they command respect from opponents for there toughness and aggresion.

we have two workers already, Fielden gets through a massive amount of work and Prescott / O'Carroll. We also have a line buster in Feka.

What we lack is more players who show the aggression of Hock. someone who will go out there way to get in the mixer with the opposition.

Add into the bargin that an enforcer likes to deck people now and again just to send a message out!!!

We aint had that since Seu Seu left.

When did you last see Carl Webb play? Bad signing written all over it.

Nathan Cayless would be a good solid prop. Is he off contract?

But there is more to an 'enforcer prop' that someone who puts in the hits and has aggression.
It can be someone who leads by example, who makes the hard yards and tackles all up all game long. Their presence of that of dominance. They have aggression but also lead by example creating a presence. A lot of 'work horse' props 'enforce' themselves onto the game. I.e Luke Bailey.

Fielden used to have an ore around him, similar to Morley, but now he's a spent force. Webb could only be used as another impact prop, you want your enforcer on the field for around 50-60mins.

Morley would be ideal.

Looked a little 'tired' recently... but has presence to be a solid SL prop.

IMO, we have no enforcer and no guaranteed metre-maker. Yes, Fielden does a lot of tackling, but he's in the middle of the park so you expect this. When's the last time he made more than 10 metres? Feka can make yards when he comes on, but this time on the pitch is limited and he can struggle when we're under the cosh.

You'd hope that, if they do sign Webb, they'd have thoroughly investigated this issue first. One thing we can't possibly put up with is signinng a decent player, firing all the guns to announce it, and then waiting nervously on a decision from the High Commission.

That made a couple of clubs look very foolish last year.

No but Parramatta are hoping a dumb Super League club make him an attractive offer that he can't refuse and they will release him.

Why would they be dumb? Serious question. I thought Cayless had quite a good rep.

The lad is fading fast. Not the player he once was, although he could still do a job in Sl i am not sure he would have much more of an impact than Fielden.

In which case let's hope we stay clear.

I'd doanything to go back 3-4 years and bring back logan and fletch and if we had them with the pack we have got now our backs would have something to work from

If I had a 'RL time machine' there would be other I'd be pickin up before them

Cayless is 'fading' but defo could still be a good prop in SL.

But more importantly he would bring character, leadership, aggression and a fight to win attitude which we desperately need.
Currently we're lacking these sort of players, especially in the pack.

Cayless is a born capt and winner. Having him around for 2 years would have a positive impact on our team.

Didn't see this posted [urlhttp://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25655655-23209,00.html[/urlAnywhere.

So looks like Webb ain't coming, can't say I'm bothered personally the guy was never going to get a Visa any way, and looking a few pages back those who watch the NRL have have bemoaned the potential signing of Cayless. Looks to me like all the news paper stories and rumours about a prop have dried up somewhat, makes you wonder who weve got lined up if anybody.

Can't say I'm too dissapointed, would of been a gamble IMO

I can see Cayless coming to Wigan especially if the rumours of Kearney as next coach are true, just wish he would bring Mr Asotasi or Mr Blair with him instead

Read the article, reeks of NQ trying to tempt us to make a move for him, they don't want him.

Neither do I, sorry Mr Webb!

I'm sure he's devastated.



I genuinely think we need three signings next year - two props and a halfback, along with obviously a new coach. I would release all four of Smith, Bailey, Phelps and Coley. I would also certainly arrange a season long loan for Eamonn O'Carroll next year which would leave us with the five props fighting for four positions if we were able to make the signings.

Who knows what stage Lenagan is at in terms of recruitment for next year but it doesn't look promising right now.