We are not finishing our sets in a position to do anything else.

We are not in a position to put in attacking kicks, but not so far back to put in long downtown kicks.

I’d actually prefer us though to grubber into touch rather than keep just lobbing up easy high balls.

We get to their line on a rare occasion, get a penalty and go for 2? At 6-0 down we go for 2? That says it all for me.

We’ve no idea. One up rugby with the occasional and predictable shift it left and see if Faz can squirm through. Shorrocks at 9 is a huge no, no.

It’s frustrating even more when it pans to Lam and the expression of bewilderment on his face. I often wonder if he’s getting wound up at blue and white seats because he certainly isn’t doing anything to win us this game.

See my last post not blaming him due to our forwards but his choice of nothing kick

The worrying thing is that Saints aren’t even in second gear yet. We are clueless beyond belief.

It’s embarrassing watching Hastings.

Smith once again anonymous, so the ball has to go to Hastings on every attacking play. The defence can load up on Hastings as we literally have no other pivot that creates anything or puts their hand up to take some of that responsibility.

React to being kicked in the head, yellow. No reaction, that would have been nothing as play on was allowed.

Kick someone in the head "petulant" or not. It's not a yellow, the card there is red.

Disagree that’s not a red.

We really are in trouble as a sport if that is a red. It was gamesmanship.

Bentley is living rent free in Batemans head and totally dominating a once formidable player but since his return to Wigan is a shadow of his former self.

We are now reaping the reward of the recruiting of Shaun Wanes one dimensional robots at junior level . Saints youngsters look far more athletic than ours , as do Leeds kids . I believe Warrington have some good ones coming through as well. Our whole scouting and recruiting system needs a massive overhaul

This might not be the worst Wigan team ever but it is heading that way.

We look like a team that has never been coached - no organisation, no structure and some of the dumbest rugby I have seen in a long time. Even our best players (Bateman, Farrell, Gildart etc) are going backwards and looking worse each week, the drop off ball to Faz is so predicatable and so easy to defend. The kikcing game is truly woeful hoof it down field or hoof it up in the air with no pressure.

.Absolutely clueless and zero entertainment value. It is a good thing Saints are not playing well as they should be way ahead by now.

The kicking for 2 said it all really - even the players have no fiath in their ability to score - unless it comes from a Saints mistake.

If Saints do not run up a decent score then Leeds will next game out.

Every team we play can literally put all 13 defenders on the side of the pitch Hastings is on and we would still go to him and expect him to create.

Smith may be a kid but he needs to offer way more than he currently is.

It’s embarrassing how lacking in any clue we are and how certain players are willing to just be passengers on a ship that is clearly sinking.

We are so fu*king poor its embarrassing

Kendall has lost the game (not that he had it at any point).

Christ mate i know he’s been poor but that’s a bit much.

Behave.

We offer no physical threat, we have no speed, one half back, no props. The demise of our team is quite astonishing. I have never seen a Wigan team with such an incredible lack of threat

Don’t look like scoring. Discipline with and without the ball is poor. Barely any go forward. Isa giving penalties away for fun, Bateman an affinity for the yellow card, Partington can’t keep hold of the ball.

And Lam reckoned it was an arm wrestle? I can’t wait for his post match interview. This game has been an absolute car crash from us.

Maybe, but I'm sick of it.

Bentley has been poop housing all game (especially in the 2nd half) and nothing is done. JB pushes someone and gets a yellow.

All of them are the lowest of the low.

Mate I've had enough now i won't go to another game until Lam is gone but I'm getting to the point where i don't even want to watch them on TV as we are so fu*king poor

Oh what a surprise another Wigan player in the bin.

Sat here six seats from the dugout. The faces on everyone in the technical area when they got the message to kick for goal were a picture. As for the rest of this pathetic, niggly BS, summed up by Isa, I’m embarrassed to support this club under Lam.

Bentley is doing exactly what Bateman used to do when he looked interested.

Wigan fans loved it.

Now it’s happening the other way it’s poop housing.

There are no excuses for this performance.

Lam needs to go now.

We already have next years structure in place in regard the coaches so may as well give them an early start.

Clueless

We’re reduced to petty, petulant, cheap shot merchants. Giving it the big un and we can’t even back the housing up. It proves absolutely nothing, apart from we’re all pish & wind. Play the game tough, you half earn the right…but we’re submissive with the ball in the main at best.

We’ve not put a single fair big shot on in an hour.

Isa needs a week in the stands. As a senior player, he’s in no way leading by any sort of example…quite the opposite.

We took the two to avoid a nilling.

We have the squad to be competing, but the place stinks. Attitude is abysmal…and it starts with AL. We’ve become accepting of mediocrity.

Saints haven’t broke sweat…Leigh offer bigger attacking threat.

Surely AL out now?

Had to turn it off. Never done that before but just horrendous to watch - I'd prefer to relax a bit on a Friday night.

I really hate the team we are atm. No skill, no originality and full of cheap shot merchants.

Isa and Bateman have been complete embarrassments tonight.

Iv had mixed feelings on Lam but I don't see why he should see out the season.

Here we go again. You know that BOTH us and the ref can be bad. Saying the ref is bad doesn't somehow let us off.

You aren't getting what I'm saying too.

I have no issues with what Bentley is doing. My issue is that when we do it, he sends us to the bin.

Bentley hit Marshall high and got a pen. Bateman shoved someone and got a yellow. Isa hit someone high and got a yellow. Spot the difference