Cuts both ways though, doesn't it? Every time it goes right for us we've either cheated, set out to foul our opponents or turned professional when nobody else did. Can you see that the way other clubs' fans pedal these myths is the reason they occasionally get short shrift from some of us?

There was a kick by Williams on the third tackle too that went straight to a defender. Waste of possession.

Forsyth shouldn't be anywhere near the first team - he's crippling the attack down that side.

Well firstly you DID turn professional before everyone else did do there can't be an argument there
Cheated,fouled players Etc... is banded about to any club that is succsesful in any sport.
Behaving like spoilt brats when it's going tough is the problem,I for one have no problem with Wigan and they were the club who brought everyone up to their level rather than sticking with mediocre.
The famous Wigan walk last night said it all again about your "some" of your fans.
They only follow the club because they are successful.

Well said that man.

The constant accusations that we cheat annoy me no end. It was interesting at Leeds last week when if anything we came up against a side that exploited every bit of 'professionalism' against a somewhat naive Wigan team.

I've even read Wire fans argue that they would prefer not to win the GF if it meant 'winning like Wigan' i.e. Cheating. Actually, maybe that's why the refs hate us!

Forsyth is struggling for me. But really, who else would you play there?

Couple of points for you to consider. Firstly, our attendances increased when we were threatened with relegation under Millward. Second, to what do you attribute your increase in fan numbers? Couldn't be the fact that you're winning perhaps?

Forsyth is trying hard but things just didn't come off last night. It's a good grounding for him as well as Davies and Marshall but ideally they could all do with being taken out of the firing line at points over the next few weeks.

I thought Marshall looked jaded last night and in need of a rest. That isn't a criticism but just a reality that he's young and it's been a big few weeks emotionally and physically for him.

Could you tell me what year that was if you're so sure?

I'm trying to verify that "fact" myself! I honestly don't know if we were first to go full time or not.

I suppose we all went "Professional" after the meeting at the George.... 29 August 1895...

But who went full time first? Probably us but I'd love it to be Leeds!

Good following from Cas last night

I do believe its appropriate to say BOOM, after such a response..

That's the biggest following I've ever seen from Cas at our place.
Personally I've no problem with them taking the michael and using the same old loads of tripe they bring out with boring monotony

I am pretty sure it was the 1991/2 season for us. The reason it sticks in my mind is Ian Lucas sold his antique shop to go full time then when on tour with GB at the end of the season had his career effectively ended by a tackle not unlike the one Olly suffered at Leeds.

Anyway I always thought it was a rather token gesture at the time as several clubs had virtually full time squads and Widnes had been throwing cash at players like confetti a few years earlier ant it was 1987 Leeds signed Gary Schofield from Hull so it was hardly us who were acting like we owned RL.

What set Wigan apart was the professionalism off field with the club doing things like employing sprint coaches and even back then we had a production line of home players.

As good a following as they've had since the first ever game at the DW I'd imagine.

It's not because they're successful currently though. It's simply a coincidence that they all had 'summat on' every time we've played at the DW....for the past 18 years!!

At least that's what IanTigerman told me.

Can't wait to see how many fans you bring over to the Jungle at the end of the month - Saturday night - not on Sky.

Did I ?
Can't remember saying that but I'm sure you must be right because you support wigan

Of course our travelling fans have increased with us winning to think otherwise would be stupid,your missing the point completely and are once again blinkered.
The famous Wigan Walk shows everything about "your fans".
What about staying to applaud the young lads for all the effort they put in !!!!!
Hey up.Enjoy the season

You should be delighted then. When all those top class internationals come back, you should be even harder to beat

Hey all.... We have the return of the Giraffe to look forward to next week!!

Cas are just the latest West Yarksher flavour of the month, they'll falter when it comes to the crunch. Look at Huddersfield a couple of years ago, giving it large finishing top of the league and got slapped down in the play-offs.

They'll keep.

Smith has certainly done well tonight guiding Saints from 14-0 up to draw 14-14

No gold rings handed out last night.

I bet it's bigger then any league following (last night aside) you've brought to our place in the last 18 years and it's not even our cup final



It's nice to see what the 1960's looks like sometimes!